# novelty
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30:05The back-to-office debate through a novelty lensLeanne Elliott: I can also imagine some people going, oh, well, that's why we should make everyone go back to the office then, so we have these experiences. But it's not the point. It's more the intentionality of the expEP 227 · 28 Aug 2025·interview· 30:05–31:0735:22Was Patrick actually happier after a year of novelty?Leanne Elliott: I have to ask you about your whole experience and kind of its impact on your happiness. Were you happier? Patrick Fagan: Well, I mean, I was very unhappy to begin with. So yeah, in that sense, yeah, definEP 227 · 28 Aug 2025·interview· 35:22–37:13
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