Flexible Work
Flexible Work
What the show has said across episodes about flexible, hybrid and remote work — and the value exchange between employer and employee.
What's been said
- Flexible work is a value-exchange upgrade we're throwing away. Leanne argues flexible work is "a huge potentially beneficial change in the value exchange between employer and employee" that employers risk squandering through "general Luddism" — pointing to evidence that open-plan offices are bad for productivity .
- Flexibility must be a two-way door. Rory Sutherland frames flexible work as a door that must swing both ways — the upsides of a closed door are never discovered if the option is removed entirely; flexibility cuts both for employee and employer .
- Ogilvy's policy is the model HR got right. Sutherland cites Ogilvy's flexible work policy as an example of HR doing it well, and questions where the company's money goes — and who it should go to .
- "Work from anywhere" may beat the four-day week. Sutherland argues flexibility of place might deliver more than compressing the week, and that nobody's core day should be a Friday .
- The two-day weekend is a strange relic. The weekend, the dual-income household and "leisure that isn't leisure" all get critiqued as suboptimal structures we've accepted without question .
- Hybrid was the 2024 prediction that held. The 2024 expert panel predicted hybrid working would continue to gain pace , and the theme recurs in Sweden's empty offices by 4:30 PM — a signal about whether presence is really needed .
The episodes & clips that cover this
EP 292 · 14 April 2026
Is your A.I. getting 'token anxiety'? PLUS! Sh*tcuts, Sweden’s empty offices and the truth about vulnerable leadership, with Live+Work More Human Podcast hosts, Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke
Sweden's 4:30 PM Empty Office
Sally. So I've got some, you know, obviously massive, massive news for us all. I found an article today that was published in Indian media around an Indian tech professional who's working in Sweden. A
EP 156 · 24 December 2024
Rory Sutherland: Unfiltered Full Interview (Part 1) - Special Christmas Eve Episode
The psychology of flexible work
I'm very, very interested in the psychology of flexible work. Oh, because it strikes me as one of those cases where, um, uh, you know, we're potentially throwing a huge increase, a huge potentially be
Flexible work as a two-way door
Flexible work is a 2-way door Let me ask you then, because you've talked there about 2-way door, there's another aspect of flexible work that seems to fit in with this, which is the 4-day work week, w
Ogilvy's flexible work policy — and why HR got it right
However, I have to say, I think Ogilvy HR did the right thing on flexible work. I'll describe our policy very happily. It is 2+1, which is you have 2 core days a week, which are the same for your whol
Four-day week vs. work from anywhere
I think the 4-day week actually to a lot of people is less valuable than work from anywhere. Because if you are working flexibly, it's one of those problems, which is one of the annoying things is the
EP 71 · 29 December 2023
What Trends Will Dominate 2024's Workplaces? (Part 1 of 2)
Prediction 1: Hybrid working continues to gain pace
Yes. So, one of Leanne's predictions was that hybrid working would continue to gain pace. Oh my God, there has been some arguments about this. What do you think, Lee? Yeah, I mean, companies like Zoom
