Episode 326 · 11 August 2026 · 54:30
We Play Corporate Family Fortunes with Danny Wareham! Summer Sessions #3
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Summer Sessions housekeeping and introducing Danny Wareham
Post-book tour life, award season and authentic LinkedIn content
interview#book-tour#awards#linkedin
What makes a true Christmas movie? (In August!)
interview#christmas-movies#hallmark#debate
Round 1: Most annoying office habits & smelly food
interview#office-habits#food#annoying
Round 2: What makes people angriest at work?
interview#workplace-anger#frustration#work
Round 3: Which work social activities do people avoid?
interview#work-social#avoidance#activities
Round 4: What keeps employees from quitting?
Round 5: Annoying communication styles & voice note debates
interview#communication#voice-notes#annoying
Round 6: The weirdest things found in desk drawers
interview#desk-drawers#weird#office
Round 7: How workers really unwind after a stressful day and wrap-up
interview#stress-relief#unwind#wrap-up
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We Play Corporate Family Fortunes with Danny Wareham! (Summer Sessions #3)
Guest: Danny Wareham — organisational psychologist, leadership expert, speaker, and author of Constellation Leadership.
Summer is here, and Al and Leanne are swapping the heavy behavioural science for something a little more... competitive. This week, they're joined by organisational psychologist and author Danny Wareham for a very special edition of Corporate Family Fortunes.
Expect heated debates on the most irritating office habits, the work social activities everyone secretly avoids, the weirdest things ever found in a desk drawer — and a surprisingly deep dive into whether a Christmas movie debate belongs in August. Danny brings his trademark wit (and a few dad jokes), Leanne brings her thinking face, and Al brings... well, a lot of enthusiasm and very little preparation.
Survey says: this is the perfect summer listen.
🎲 The Game: Corporate Family Fortunes
Al and Leanne put Danny through seven rounds of workplace-themed Family Fortunes, using survey data from YouGov (and a little help from ChatGPT). Highlights include:
- Microwave fish tops the list of annoying office habits — Danny's "shoes off under the desk" answer didn't make the board, but he's committed to it anyway.
- Team building activities are the work social event people avoid most. Danny wins the star prize: a weekend for two in a bothy with a heather roof. (He's very excited about the heather.)
- Better career development, pay, and flexible working keep employees from quitting — but Danny's competitive streak nearly derails the whole round.
- Messaging apps irritate British workers most, which sparks a 45-minute tangent on WhatsApp groups, voice notes, and the millennial pause.
- Medication and out-of-date food rank among the strangest desk drawer discoveries. Al's guess of "a vibrator" was... close enough to count, apparently.
- Sleep and spending time alone are the top ways people unwind after a stressful day. Drinking alcohol comes in at number four — more popular than exercise, which says a lot.
🧠 What We Learned (Between the Laughs)
- The best workplace culture data comes from the ground. Danny shares how he uses cultural diagnostics in his work — including what people's communication habits (like email etiquette) reveal about an organisation's health.
- Authenticity on LinkedIn is a tightrope. Danny opens up about balancing thought leadership with not sounding like "an absolute wanker" — and why the Friday posts are purely for fun.
- The things that keep people from quitting aren't always what you'd expect. Recognition from managers, growth opportunities, and flexible working consistently beat pay — but only if the culture supports them.
More From Danny Wareham
- Website: dannywareham.co.uk
- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/danny-wareham
- Buy Danny's Book, Constellation Leadership: dannywareham.co.uk/constellation-leadership
Connect With Us
Get in touch, book a call, or find Al and Leanne on LinkedIn — all in one place: truthliesandwork.com/connect
Mental health support: findahelpline.com — UK: Samaritans 116 123 · Mind 0300 123 3393 — US: 988 — Australia: Lifeline 13 11 14
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SFXOur survey said—
Al ElliottThis episode contains probably some strong language and likely some adult themes and probably some dad jokes. Listener discretion is advised.
Leanne ElliottHello, welcome to another of our Truth, Lies, and Work summer sessions. For the next few weeks, we're taking a little break from workplace news and the heavy topics to bring you something a bit more fun. You know, the sort of episode you can stick on while you're driving down the coast, you're lying by the pool, or just Tending to relax on holiday.
Al ElliottSo today we are— today we're playing Corporate Family Fortunes. Now I'm sure everyone knows what Family Fortunes is. It was, I think it was originally in the UK with Des Lennis, your favourite book, Les Dennis. And then I believe it went Steve Harvey, Harley, over in the, over in the US. So I'm sure you already know what it is. Don't worry, I'm gonna, I'm gonna explain exactly how it works. But essentially we just got a load of surveys and I'm gonna get these guests Well, guess they're gonna be Leanne and our guest are gonna guess Lee.
Leanne ElliottYeah, that makes perfect sense. All the sense.
Al ElliottSmoothest intro ever.
Leanne ElliottAbsolutely. Um, so yeah, after the break, we're joined by, exciting drum roll, organisational psychologist, leadership expert, and author Danny Wareham.
Danny WarehamHey!
Leanne ElliottSo Danny's book Constellation, oh, it's so good. It explores such an interesting question. What if leadership isn't about a person at the top, but it's about the relationships between everyone else? It introduces a whole new leaderless leadership model where purpose and culture and context really are the things that guide how organisations succeed. We will leave a link in the show notes, of course.
Al ElliottYes, we will. So we'll join Danny and Leanne for Corporate Family Fortunes after this very quick word from our beautiful, lovely sponsors. Thank you for paying us, sponsors. Thank you. The dirty little secret is that most businesses think they know their customers. They have the data, the records, the history, but it's scattered across 3 teams and 4 systems. And in our case, it's about 216,000 spreadsheets, which means nobody can actually use it.
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Danny WarehamNice.
Al ElliottCheck out hubspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses.
Leanne ElliottHello, hello, and welcome back. This is Truth, Lies, and Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture, brought to you by who?
Al ElliottThe HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals.
Leanne ElliottMy name is Leanne. I'm a chartered occupational psychologist. My name is Al. I'm a business owner. And normally we'd be here to help you simplify the science of work and build amazing workplace cultures, but not this week.
Al ElliottNope. Today we're joined by organizational psychologist, speaker, and author, and all-round fucking nice guy, Danny Wareham. Danny, welcome.
Danny WarehamHello.
Al ElliottHello.
Danny WarehamAnd we got our first F-bomb in as well, and it, it wasn't me.
Al ElliottI thought I'd just set the scene. I just like, you know, allow you to, to, to swear as much as you want. I mean, this is probably gonna be quite sweary because we all are quite sweary people. We're Brits, aren't we?
Danny WarehamYeah, I do like to ease into my profanity at 10 o'clock in the morning though. Little soupçon of Fs.
Leanne ElliottIs that how it works? That the later in the day, the stronger the words can be?
Danny WarehamYeah, yeah. We shouldn't record this in the evening.
Leanne ElliottYeah.
Danny WarehamI know we did talk about potentially having a wine, but it'd be a very short redacted episode. It'd be a Trump-esque redaction, I think, by the time this went to air.
Leanne ElliottYeah. You know, you were smart booking this in for the morning, to be fair.
Al ElliottYeah. Yeah. I think swears are the same as your alcohols. You start off in the morning with a breakfast beer. And that's okay. And then lunchtime, you have a glass of wine. And then if you fancy mid-afternoon, like an Aperol, that's fair enough.
Leanne ElliottI think that's—
Al ElliottRight. Please drink responsibly.
Danny WarehamBy that rationale, so I always think that time doesn't exist when you're in an airport. Like, it's okay to have a whiskey at 3 in the morning. So does that mean it's okay to drop a C-bomb at 4 o'clock in Manchester Airport?
Leanne ElliottOh, I think it's necessary at Manchester Airport, to be honest.
Al ElliottI'm just gonna advise—
Leanne ElliottEspecially if you're in Terminal 3.
Al ElliottOh. I'm just gonna advise you, of those, of that word pairing, I think the C is far less, gonna get you far less trouble than the B word, the bomb. So I think you probably don't wanna say the word bomb in an airport.
Leanne ElliottEw.
Al ElliottThat's what I would say.
Leanne ElliottFun story. I got stopped at security because they thought I had a bomb.
Danny WarehamYep.
Leanne ElliottIn Manchester Airport. So I was going through and just as you do, and they're like, madam, is this your bag? And I was like, yes. And like, please step over here, don't touch anything. And then the supervisor came out. I was like, what's in the bag? What's in the bag? And I was like, oh, I don't know, some chocolate and some headphones. And he was like, oh, I'd bought 3 bars of, um, Lindt chocolate for Al's birthday, but they were all stacked together and they were next to my headphones, so it just looked like a block with a load of wires around. He turned it around and showed me and like was like, lol, we thought you had a bomb. I was like, no, not today.
Al ElliottAnyway, so talking of bombs, Danny, um, what bomb— what bombshells have been happening in your life, uh, recently? What do you know?
Danny WarehamI published the book last year and it's slowly got some critical traction. It's been landing really, really well. People really love it. And thank you for the shout out, Lee. So off the back of that, it's now award season. So there's this whole, can you come and speak at this? Can you come and tell us about this? Can you come and do a meet the author event and talk about Consolation? So basically, I've lived my entire life on Avanti West Coast trains for the last sort of 6 to 8 weeks. Yeah, living on hotel food. So it's been a really strange time because I don't feel, I don't feel like an author. I'm just a council lad that had an idea, put pen to paper, and people seem to find it really resonating. So it's quite nice and it's lovely for my ego too.
Al ElliottAnd also I'm curious because your LinkedIn's, LinkedIn's, is that the right word? Your posts on LinkedIn are pretty decent, right? They're really good. In fact, fun fact, you are the only person who I follow and ring that bell thing.
Danny WarehamThat's purely for the Friday though, isn't it? That's, that's not because of any sort of thought leadership or opinion pieces. That's just because you like the odd dad joke.
Al ElliottIt is true. And also, I'll be honest, I do— my, my entire phone screen is covered with notifications of Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny. Um, but how do you, how do you do the whole thing of I've been awarded this award for the book without sounding like an absolute wanker like everyone else does?
Leanne ElliottWell, I, I can't decide if I sound like an absolute wanker.
Danny WarehamThat's The beauty's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? It's a really strange balance for me because I'm not very good at peacocking. I think most people tend to be quite bad at kind of blowing their own trumpet. But the reality is when you're a small business owner, you kind of have to because nobody knows you've got a trumpet unless you blow it a little bit. So nobody else can kind of cheerlead you on and so on. So there's a careful balance. One of the ways that I find works quite well is champion other people. So how do you share other people's content or add to their discourse or raise their profile? Because a rising tide raises all boats. And also there's something nice about cheering everybody else because being in business can be a little bit lonely, a little bit— the highs are not quite as high because there's no one to share it with and the lows are a little bit lower because there's no one to share it with. So anytime you can kind of spread the load and just be a decent human, and then that gives you a bit of social capital that when you do want to peacock and be an absolute wanker, it's okay to do so.
Leanne ElliottI know, who were we talking to? Oh, it was, um, oh, name, Nick Power.
Al ElliottOh yeah.
Leanne ElliottWho was like, did, you know, do really well on LinkedIn. He's a bit quieter recently, but maybe I haven't rung his bell. Um, but he, he came on the show and he was just like, I'm not gonna like talk about how to approach LinkedIn. Instead, he was like, I'm not gonna buy something off you if I don't like you. So, make me like you first, and then you can sell to me. And I think that's what you're so brilliant at, Danny, is that how you present on LinkedIn is exactly who you are. Like, when we, when we've met you through the podcast, when we met you in real life last Christmas, you just, it's just Danny Wareham, and that comes across so beautifully. Um, so yeah, I'm so, I'm so pleased for you because it's all these awards and this recognition is, is all that you absolutely deserve. So, congratulations, my friend. Oh, thank you.
Danny WarehamBless you. It does make it sound like we spent Christmas together, like it was some kind of— what's one of the terrible Christmas films? Like The Holiday or something. You'll get complaint letters now.
Leanne ElliottI was gonna say, how dare you? That's one of my favourite Christmas movies.
Al ElliottLeanne likes those Christmas movies where a woman goes back to her hometown to look after her elderly father, and then there's a bookshop, which doesn't seem to make any money, and there's a really handsome guy who has a bookshop, and then you're like, Do you know, I've watched 3 minutes of this and I know it, I know the movie.
Leanne ElliottYes, I mean, Hallmark is probably a good sign of kind of a good Christmas movie, but I also love anything that's like just really joyous. And also, for some reason, Christmas just wants me to celebrate even more the LGBTQ+ community. Like my favourite, like, and it's not even a thing, you know what, I can't remember what it's called, but there's a movie where there's this gay couple and they go to meet his family for the first time, but it's, It's just like, it's not even a thing. That's not part of the story. Do you know what I mean? A bit like Schitt's Creek. It's not even really part of the story, but it's just central to the characters being just so beautifully rounded and human. You look perfectly honest.
Danny WarehamChristmas films are the original AI slop.
Leanne ElliottWow. Wow. I feel very attacked right now.
Danny WarehamIt is bot-shitting. Power woman who's built her career in the city moves to open a Christmas tree farm in, you know, blowhole Montana or something. Yeah. Yeah. They're very formulaic. I'm not saying they're bad. You know, I love fish and chips. Fish and chips is always the same and I can have a lot of fish and chips. So there's nothing wrong with formulaic.
Leanne ElliottCompared to AI slop, Danny, you've got one opportunity to recover this. Where do we stand on the Muppets Christmas Carol?
Danny WarehamOh, I, I'm gonna sidestep the question with another question because there's a whole debate in, certainly in the UK, around what constitutes a Christmas film. And I think if Christmas is a character, then it's a Christmas film. So Muppets Christmas Carol, Christmas, it couldn't happen any other time of year. So it is a Christmas film and it is amazing. But then you go like, you know, Batman Returns, is that a Christmas film? Because it happens at Christmas. Or Die Hard or Gremlins. Well, Gremlins is because part of the story is about her father dressing as Santa and getting stuck in the chimney and passing away. And that's why she doesn't celebrate Christmas. Then on the flip side, Frozen has no Christmas in it at all.
Al ElliottAnyway, who had on their bingo card a discussion about Christmas in August?
Leanne ElliottYeah.
Danny WarehamYeah.
Leanne ElliottBae, it's not long though, is it?
Al ElliottStop it.
Danny WarehamStop it. Stop it. The nights are closing in.
Leanne ElliottYeah, it's getting darker. Stop!
Al ElliottLet's tour. Let's play our game. Now, I think I have a button here. One second. Let me see if it works. Oh, I think this is the original.
Leanne ElliottCan you hear that, Danny?
Danny WarehamJust now.
Al ElliottCan you hear that?
Danny WarehamIs it? I'm not, I'm far too young, obviously, to to remember these programmes.
Leanne ElliottWell, I don't remember that being the theme tune to Battle of the Lockfields, but is it?
Al ElliottWell, according to a website that I illegally downloaded it from earlier today, it is the theme. So we will, we'll leave it at that.
Danny WarehamIf it's on the internet, it's gotta be true.
Leanne ElliottSo.
Al ElliottYeah, exactly. Exactly. All right, let's kick things off. So I think what we'll do is we start off and I will ask a question and you need to buzz in. Now you've got no buzzer, So I suggest you either just shout your name or Constellation or whatever it is you wanna say. So, uh, and then I will, I will award the first question, uh, to this person. If they get it right, then they can continue. If they get it wrong, then it goes to the other person.
Leanne ElliottOkay.
Al ElliottSo we asked 100— we didn't, YouGov did. And in fact, ChatGPT found all these for me, but we, we asked 100 people to name something colleagues do in the office that really gets Lay. Oh, okay. Straight away. Lay, lay, lay. Go on.
Leanne ElliottMicrowave fish.
Al ElliottAh, that is the top answer.
Leanne ElliottNo!
Al ElliottIt says eat smelly food, e.g., fish. So I'm gonna say microwave fish. Oh, so do you wanna play or pass?
Leanne ElliottWhat was the question again?
Al ElliottName something colleagues do in the office that really get on your, uh, your nerves.
Leanne ElliottUm, I'm, I'm gonna pass.
Danny WarehamPass.
Al ElliottOh, Danny.
Leanne ElliottOkay.
Al ElliottSo I think you get 3 lives. So, name something colleagues do in the office that really gets on your nerves.
Danny WarehamLots of things annoyed me in the office in the corporate world. I'm gonna take— it's a random one, it might be specific to me— taking your shoes off.
Leanne ElliottOh.
Danny WarehamShoes off under the desk.
Leanne ElliottGross.
Al ElliottThat is pretty grim. Also, people who take shoes off on the plane.
Leanne ElliottThat's just unacceptable.
Al ElliottYeah, not unacceptable. Anyway, let's see if it's on the board. I'm just gonna get my...
Leanne ElliottNo.
Danny WarehamNo. That means everybody that is working in an office, feel free to take your shoes off. It doesn't annoy anybody.
Leanne ElliottI am loving how committed you are to this.
Al ElliottI added them to the soundboard and everything.
Leanne ElliottI can see.
Al ElliottI just haven't memorised exactly where they are, so I might press the wrong one. Lee, do you want to have another go?
Leanne ElliottThings that annoy you about colleagues in the office. Talking too loud on the phone.
Al ElliottOur survey said— Oh no, I pressed the wrong button. No, no.
Danny WarehamHey, we have to accept your first answer. That's what— no, I'm not competitive.
Al ElliottOkay, so that is, that is number 4. 27% of people said speak loudly. Uh, Leigh, do you wanna— you need— you get another go.
Leanne ElliottI'm gonna go with interrupting, like when you're trying to concentrate, they want to chatter.
SFXOur survey said—
Al ElliottNo, I'm sorry, it's not on there, Danny. One less. So let's just make this exciting. You go, you get one opportunity and you win this round.
Leanne ElliottBrill.
Danny WarehamMy most annoying thing was instant messenger, where somebody sends, hi Danny, and then nothing, just ghosted. So I don't know what that would class under, but instant messenger being misused.
Al ElliottOh, I'm sorry. No, it's not on there. I will tell you. So I think that goes to Leanne. So Leanne's got 1 point. Danny has 0.
Danny WarehamThanks.
Al ElliottI will tell you what, what else was on there. So you already got eat smelly food. You already got speak loudly. Number 2 was eat someone else's food from the fridge.
Leanne ElliottOh, of course.
Al ElliottOh yeah.
Leanne ElliottOf course.
Al ElliottAnd number 3 was eat loudly. There's a lot about eating here. No work getting done. And finally, the last one was weird. Whistle or sing when working? Not sure that would really necessarily upset me, but was this— no whistling.
Danny WarehamWas this a survey of 100 chimney sweeps?
Al ElliottExactly. Last one was a Victorian workhouse. Okay, so let's go on to something else. What? Right, so we asked 100 people, what makes you angriest at work? So Danny, seeing as you're trailing, do you want to go first?
Danny WarehamCompetent bosses.
Al ElliottOh, just gotta see whether I'm gonna put— okay. I'm gonna say that's on there because we've got an over-demanding boss, which I will put in there. That's number 3. So, brilliant. You are, you are now in control of the game. Danny, are you going to pass or are you gonna play?
Danny WarehamI, I'm gonna pass because I, I love watching Leigh's face as she's computing all of these ideas. So, Leigh, show us your face.
Leanne ElliottYeah.
Al ElliottWhat's funny about having this game with an introvert is that there's genuinely like 5 seconds you go, hmm, which I'm gonna have to cut out.
Leanne ElliottAnd you do it. I put on, um, there's a video put on LinkedIn of an episode I think we did last summer, um, and you were telling a story and I basically didn't say anything. And she commented something like, like, your facial expressions were doing a lot of the heavy lifting there, Luke. I was like, yeah.
Al ElliottI'm gonna get one of those transparent rendering buffering GIFs, and I'll put it over your face while you're thinking.
Leanne ElliottThings that make you angry at work?
Al ElliottYes, what makes you angriest at work?
Leanne ElliottUm, ah, do you know what? I used to kind of get a little bit pissed off when people were late.
Al ElliottPeople are late. Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Danny, back to you, and we'll give you 2 chances here, so 2 lives.
Danny WarehamI, I, I'm probably going to get hate mail for this, but small talk. It's that kind of bizarre coffee vending machine. Oh, how's the— apparently if you ask somebody what the— how their weekend was, you want to know about it in real time.
Al ElliottIt's like when someone says, let me tell you about a dream. I'm like, no, no, no, don't do that. Okay, I am gonna say yes because there's something very similar to this, but it is the bottom answer, only 3% of people. Okay, so you got the opportunity to win this round, Danny. Yeah, what makes you angriest at work?
Danny WarehamCan I pinch from the previous round? Stealing, stealing my food, stealing my yoghurt out of the fridge.
Al ElliottOh no. I'm sorry, it's not in there. So, Leigh, do we give you one more chance to win? So you got one.
Leanne ElliottYeah, go ahead, steal.
Al ElliottYes, steal.
Leanne ElliottThings that make me angry at work are... Horrible customers.
Danny WarehamOh, that's exactly what I was gonna say.
Al ElliottIt is the 4th. It is the 4th answer, rude customers or staff at 37%. So again, that's Leanne down to 2.
Leanne ElliottI swear I haven't seen these.
Al ElliottNo, she hasn't actually. She genuinely hasn't. So that is brilliant. Okay, so we'll just quickly go through these. So you got the top answer was a colleague not doing their job properly. That was 49%. 44%, taking someone else's credit. Sorry, someone else taking credit for my work.
Leanne ElliottYeah.
Al ElliottYou got the boss, you got the rude customers, and then finally feeling excluded by others at work. 26%. That's a bit sad, isn't it? Not being given training or an induction. There you go, Leigh. If you do one thing, train your managers.
Danny WarehamI was gonna say, throw her that soapbox.
Al ElliottThrow her, throw her the soapbox. I know. Well, before you do, well, whilst you're on your soapbox, let's go for a quick break and then we can cut that bit out.
Leanne ElliottOkay.
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Al ElliottWelcome back, welcome back. We are playing Corporate Family Fortunes, which is, um, well, you should know.
Leanne ElliottWhere's your jingle?
Al ElliottWhere's my jingle? Hang on, here it is. There it is. So according to the internet, this is the jingle for Family Fortunes. According to Danny, it's not. Um, so, uh, we look forward to your letters. Okay, so We asked 100 people, what, which work social activity would you least like to attend?
Leanne ElliottLate shift.
Al ElliottHang on, hang on. I think there might be a delay here.
Leanne ElliottFair enough.
Al ElliottFair enough.
Leanne ElliottI'll back off.
Danny WarehamI'll back off.
Al ElliottSo we'll start again. Which work— are you ready, Danny? Which work social activity would you least like to attend?
Danny WarehamHey, I, I, as I've, I've said it and I don't know how to phrase it, but those, um, Team build sessions where you do something that's kind of quirky, like learn to play the bongos together, or that kind of team building activity that's a little bit left field.
Al ElliottSo we are looking for team building activities. Is it on the board? Pressed the wrong button. I'm on mute. One second. I've gotta wait for the effect to finish. Oh, this is going so well. Oh, that was real loud.
Danny WarehamWhat's that?
Al ElliottThat's a—
Leanne Elliottthat's a—
Al ElliottThat's not only on the board, but also you win our star prize. You, Danny, you have won a weekend away in a spa in rural Staffordshire, where you will get beaten with heather and strange hairy men will rub things on you. Well done!
Danny WarehamYes! And, and what's this heather like? Is it tall?
Al ElliottShort? Told you, dad jokes. Yes, so which social work activity would you least like to attend? Team-building activity was our top answer with 31%. Are you playing or are you passing, Danny?
Danny WarehamI will pass. I will pass again.
Al ElliottOkay, Lee. So you have just one life, just to make it go a bit quicker.
Leanne ElliottKaraoke.
Al ElliottKaraoke. And—
Danny WarehamIf that's there, I'll give you the money myself.
Leanne ElliottOh man, I don't know.
Al ElliottIt's not specifically there. So would you put that into a slightly broader—
Leanne ElliottNo, it's wrong. If it's not there, it's not right, is it?
Al ElliottFair enough, fair enough. Danny, I need your opinion on this. I have got one-off celebrations like birthdays, Christmas, leaving parties. That's not the same, is it?
Danny WarehamI don't think it's the same. And actually, playing devil's advocate, I don't think it's the one-off. It's the uncomfortableness of having happy birthday sang to you.
Leanne ElliottOh, yeah.
Al ElliottI saw this guy, and he does it. He did it like every time he went out with his girlfriend, he would tell the staff. That, uh, that it was her birthday. So every single time he'd film it, every single time she's like, you bastard. Anyway, sorry, Lee. So we are back to Danny. Danny, which social work activity would you least like to have liked to attend?
Danny WarehamPub drinking. Oh yes.
Al ElliottAfter— hang on, I've got to press the button. After work drinks or social events. Yes, that is the number 2 answer. So I think we'll give that round to Danny. I think it was arbitrarily on the society. Coming back.
Danny WarehamComing back.
Leanne ElliottI think the pub is fine when, like, if you go with, like, colleagues, like peers.
Al ElliottYeah.
Leanne ElliottBut when I went, when I went as a manager, I, I wouldn't really drink very much and people would just get pissed and just start telling me stuff that I was like, you shouldn't be telling me that.
Al ElliottBefore we get on the question, um, I did my teacher training, um, in 1995. So I did my teacher training and that was when—
Danny WarehamPluto was still a planet.
Leanne ElliottWhat do the kids say now? Like the mid-1900s?
Al ElliottOh, come on.
Danny WarehamDiana King's Shy Guy was in the charts.
Al ElliottGod's sake.
Danny WarehamAnyway, carry on. Carry on.
Al ElliottAll right. Anyway, so the teacher training. And so on Fridays, on Fridays, we'd all go to the pub at lunchtime.
Danny WarehamWow.
Al ElliottGenuinely, all the teachers would go to the pub at lunchtime. We'd all have a few pints and we'd go back and do our Friday afternoon lessons.
Danny WarehamWow. While we were on the overhead projector. Bold.
Al ElliottThe over with the acetate, was that what it was called? The little thing?
Danny WarehamYeah, the plasticky things.
Al ElliottYeah, I always wanted one where you could turn it. Like we had one in the lower school where, where as we were singing all the hymns, they turned it so it went across like the credits.
Leanne ElliottBut manually.
Al ElliottManually. Oh yeah, of course, manually. Yeah. And also in primary school, they genuinely brought out a cine camera and played it on the wall, like one of those big things.
Leanne ElliottOh wow.
Al ElliottI know.
Leanne ElliottI know, I know.
Danny WarehamHow old are you, Al? Was there a history thing when you were at school?
Al ElliottWas there a history class? They were still happening.
Danny WarehamNot saying he's old, but his National Insurance number's 1.
Al ElliottOkay, I'm gonna— excuse me. All right, as we're gonna go back onto the game. All right, so we got a question. We asked 100 people, what would persuade you to stay with an employer Wait, wait, what were the other work things? Oh man, I've lost it. Uh, what was the question? I've forgotten.
Leanne ElliottThe work events.
Al ElliottWork, uh, work events.
Danny WarehamThis is super slick, just like the rehearsal. Super, super slick.
Al ElliottYou know what I mean, right? Okay, so which work social activity would you least like to attend? Danny got team building activities. Leanne got after-work drinks, social events.
Leanne ElliottNo, that was Danny as well.
Al ElliottDanny got that. Number 3 was, I don't like any work social activities. That's just someone who's just grumpy like me. Number 4 was group discussions or meetings. Number 5 was work social clubs or networks. And then we did talk about one-off celebrations, which is birthdays, Christmases, and leaving parties. So there you go. Now I have lost my place, so I need to find the place. So just, uh, what would persuade you? Here we are. So we asked 100 people what would persuade you to stay at your employer. Oh, nice, nice, nice.
Danny WarehamDaddy, daddy. I started reading the question previously. Develop me. Growth in role development.
Al ElliottUh, yes, yes. Hang on, press the button now. Flex, uh, better—
Danny WarehamIn your face, Liam. In your face.
Al ElliottJust given one away. Better career development opportunities is number 4. Are you playing or are you passing?
Danny WarehamUh, I will play this time.
Al ElliottExcellent. You should. Okay, what else are we gonna look for on that board?
Danny WarehamRemuneration.
Al ElliottPay me. Yes. Number 5, better benefits package. 35% of people. Press the button now. 35% of people. Alright. So keep going. Keep going. You can do this. Do I, do I keep going?
Danny WarehamDo I have to come up with 4 answers?
Al ElliottYeah, because then you're gonna win the—
Danny WarehamI've obviously, I should have got myself on Challenge TV and watched a couple of episodes and worked out how this goes.
Leanne ElliottHonestly, the lack of preparation.
Danny WarehamI know. I got, I got stuck in an episode of Catchphrase and So, what was the question again? I'm not stalling for time, honestly.
Al ElliottI know, of course. We asked 100 people, what would persuade you to stay with an employer, even if another job paid more?
Danny WarehamThe people.
Al ElliottThe peoples. Yes, I'm gonna have that. Better workplace culture. No, wrong button, wrong button, wrong button.
Leanne ElliottOw, don't do that one!
Al ElliottI'll not do that one.
Leanne ElliottThat's so loud!
Al ElliottSo yes, you've got 1, you've got number 2, and you've got number 5. Do you wanna keep playing?
Danny Wareham1, 2, and 5. Yeah, because I'm super, super biased to what, given what I do, I know what the answers should be. But if you've asked 100 people, I remember being told, I was in a maths class and we were talking about statistics and the teacher said to me, not as early as 1980, but the teacher said to me, imagine how intelligent the average person is. Half the people are less intelligent than that. Oh, that's a great way of explaining averages. So these 100 people, I can't guarantee they're experts in culture and engagement, so I'm going to hand it over to somebody that is.
Al ElliottOh, are you passing it?
Danny WarehamI'm passing it.
Al ElliottOh, Leigh, you've been dropped in the shit.
Danny WarehamI see a shaking head.
Al ElliottJust to remind you, Leigh, we had better workplace culture and better benefits package. 3 to go.
Leanne ElliottUm, I'm gonna say work from home. Flexible stuff.
Al ElliottYes! Better work-life— no, I've given another one away! Flexible working arrangements was number 3.
Leanne ElliottCan I take better work-life balance?
Danny WarehamJust as a side note, I know this is obviously an audio channel, but we need to get Leanne's thinking face somewhere. We need to get a meme out there. She looks like she's trying to set fire to the microphone using the power of her mind.
Leanne ElliottWow.
Danny WarehamYou're kind of deep in thought. Yeah.
Leanne ElliottDo you know what? It's true. Like, when I was sometimes like, like an example, I was, I was meant to go to a Take That gig with my friends and Liverpool made the final of the European Champions League. And my dad hadn't, hadn't watched, been able to watch that match for, for a long, long time. And he's getting a bit older. So I was like, what do I do? Do I cancel the gig? Do I go watch football with my dad? And I was talking it through with my friend and I was like, do you know what? I think I just need to sit and think about it. And I did in silence for about 5 minutes. And she's like, I thought you just like, as a turn of phrase. I was like, no, I literally just need to sit and think about it. I think I'm gonna go to the football with my dad.
Al ElliottShe does this. She does this. It is so, so weird. I'm like, Leanne, what do you, what do you think about this? She'll go, I'll have a think. And then I'm just sit there like, what the hell do I say now? What do I do? I've brought in a crossword now. That's what I— Sudoku. That's what I do when Leanne's thinking. Sorry, Danny. What do you say?
Leanne ElliottAnyway, is there any others left, Al, that you haven't already told us?
Al ElliottNo, I have told you them all. So we're gonna go on to this next question.
Danny WarehamHow much is Leanne cheating by— winning by now? Sorry.
Leanne ElliottNo, I think Danny needs to get that because I cheated. I— because I— you said the answers. So...
Al ElliottI think Les and Steve's jobs are safe. I don't think—
Danny WarehamYeah, I think we're both losers here.
Al ElliottRight, so we're 2-all. 2-all. I'm saying we're 2-all. Anyone listening will probably tell me I've got the scores wrong. Okay, so this one, this is, this is gonna be a good one, I think. So which— we asked 100 British workers, which way of communicating at work irritates you the most?
Danny WarehamInstant Messenger.
Leanne ElliottYes.
Danny WarehamIt's not instant and it's not messaging.
Al ElliottYeah, I've got messaging apps, Teams, Zoom chat, etc., etc. In fact, to be fair, the messaging apps They meant the messaging in the Teams and Zooms.
Danny WarehamYeah.
Al ElliottI'll give you a little bit of foreshadowing there. Joe, are you going to play or are you going to pass?
Danny WarehamI'm going to play because I have a particular pet peeve, and I think it's as I'm getting older. WhatsApp group messages. So group messaging platforms where it's basically the reply all of communications.
Al ElliottYeah. It's not, I'm afraid it's not.
Leanne ElliottOh, why are you looking at me for the answer? I don't know.
Al ElliottIt looked like, it looked like you were about to say something. I didn't wanna interrupt you and buzz you in.
Leanne ElliottNo, I was just, I was thinking about all the, all the group chats that I'm in. I'm like, yeah, maybe.
Al ElliottI'm afraid not. I'm afraid not. I'm sorry, Danny. That was such a strong start. And then, uh, and, and, and then you, yeah, yeah. Threw it away at the end. Although, to be fair, I also hate WhatsApp group messages. Uh, and also one of my pet peeves is voice messages. Because I'm like, I'm like, you are, what you're doing there is you're expecting me to listen to you in your time rather than actually read it in my time.
Danny WarehamYou're a podcast host.
Al ElliottRight.
Danny WarehamThat's, that's what you do.
Al ElliottOh man, you're absolutely right. I'm doing it at scale.
Danny WarehamI don't mind a voice note, but it depends who it is. Like a little, little 10-second, hey Danny, just thinking about you, is, you know, have you seen such and such? It's quite nice. But my mum leaving me a podcast episode is, is totally different. But yeah.
Al ElliottDo you know what? We, there were, there was someone we, we, we both know, um, who we won't go into details, but they have stayed at our house. Um, and they are, they're fine. They're fine. But genuinely got a 10-minute voice message. And it was like, and it was like, I can't tell you, I can't tell you. But it was like, yeah, so, um, uh, sorry, just one second, let me put the kettle on. Yeah, uh, so what was I saying? I was saying, yeah, so mainly what I'm thinking it— and I'm like, Jesus. And even on 1.5, it was still like, I think I got about through a minute. Anyway.
Leanne ElliottI enjoy a voice note because I think there's some stories that just have to be a voice note.
Al ElliottYeah, fair.
Leanne ElliottAnd I also really like it is like, because like living away from, from a lot of our friends, I feel like I'm talking to them like it's a phone call, but it's not, you know, in real time. So we can come back to it when you've got a minute. I enjoy a voice note and I am guilty for leaving quite long voice notes.
Al ElliottSo. In your group, there's one of your friends who just, instead of everyone holds the phone to their face and talks, and there's one of your friends who seems to take the phone, throw it as far down the bottom of the garden as they possibly can.
Leanne ElliottYeah.
Al ElliottAnd then talk. And it's just like, that's all you hear.
Leanne ElliottYeah, definitely. And another that just loves the millennial pause.
Al ElliottYes.
Leanne ElliottLike it's a good 3 seconds to make sure it's like, and then start talking. Yeah.
Al ElliottDid I interrupt you there, Danny?
Danny WarehamI was gonna say, I don't mind. Honestly, it depends who it is as to whether I listen to the voice note. But if somebody sends me, whether it's a video or a voice note that is over sort of 30, 40 seconds long, I mean, I got sent a video that was 7 minutes long the other day. You should watch this. It was really interesting. It won't be. I would not watch a 7-minute video if it included clues to solve my own murder. You need, you need to catch my attention early in it. So yeah, I— but then am I encouraging— I'm thinking out loud here, but am I encouraging kind of clickbaity voice notes to be left for me now? I'm not sure. We should edit this out because I'm just going to get a flurry of voice notes that are 7 minutes long now, aren't I? Shot myself in the foot.
Leanne ElliottMaybe. But you've sent us voice notes, Danny, like when you've listened to something on the show and you've been like, lol.
Al ElliottYeah. And that's lovely. That is nice because he's It's like you send a 40-second voice note. But by the way, anyone who's listening who doesn't have Danny's WhatsApp number, it is +4477.
Danny WarehamYou're also in a slightly different time zone to me. So I like the asynchronicity, if that's a word, of like, I can say something to you as if I'm live, but I'm not live because you're in a different geography and a different time and you might be taking a month off and all that kind of stuff.
Leanne ElliottYeah, exactly.
Al ElliottDanny, just to be clear, you know that The— it's still the same time for us. We're not literally an hour in the future or an hour in the past. You know that, don't you?
Danny WarehamI'm, I'm current— well, I'm currently an hour in the future, aren't I? Not with— we're ahead here. But no, I don't. In that case, I'll stop sending you voice notes because that's what I'm taking from this conversation.
Leanne ElliottNo, no, I love a voice note.
Al ElliottI like a voice note.
Leanne ElliottI'll just grumpy and all.
Al ElliottOh, man. Anyway, anyway, so we're looking for 2— no, 3 more of these. No, 2 more of these. We've had Um, we've had messages and we've had— what was the second one? I just wanna double-check if we had a second one.
Leanne ElliottI don't think we have.
Al ElliottNope. So we are looking for 3.
Danny WarehamI lost. I said WhatsApp, which is why we've just had a 45-minute conversation about WhatsApp.
Leanne ElliottI pushed the button.
Danny WarehamLee?
Al ElliottEmail. Email. It is not.
Leanne ElliottShut up. I fucking hate emails.
Al ElliottOh, I don't like email. Do you know what I hate is when And it happens a lot where we live is that people don't seem to like, they don't like, uh, starting new threads. So you get to the point of an email where you're 5th down and it's now talking about something else and everything's got even— why do we, why do email apps do this where it squashes you? So you end up with like just about 15 characters, um, in, in your, in your email and it squashes it all down. And so you have to— yeah, I hate that.
Leanne ElliottAnyway. Email threads.
Al ElliottUgh. Is email one of your, uh, one of your— is, is email going in Room 101, Danny, to change the format?
Danny WarehamI like email, but for probably different reasons. So when I'm looking at cultural diagnostics, one of the things I look at is email. How's it used? Is it a communication tool or is it a library of ass-covering evidence? Is a good insight. So the amount of people I see that have got 10,000 emails and it's a, I will keep this, or understanding the politics of who to CC into certain messages. So I actually find it really useful as a— As an insight into culture, but as an actual communication, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure.
Al ElliottFair. Fair. So, you're looking for, so do you want to shout out together what you think one of these answers is?
Danny WarehamThis is worst communication? I've forgotten the question.
Leanne ElliottIt's been 20 minutes, Al.
Danny WarehamI promise it's not wine. It's not wine I'm on about.
Al ElliottWe asked 100 British workers, which way of communicating at work irritates you the most? You've had messaging apps. So we go 1, 2, 3, and you shout out what you think it is. So 1, 2, 3.
Danny WarehamInterruption.
Leanne ElliottPhone.
Danny WarehamCan I, can I just have 5 minutes?
Leanne ElliottOh, we've got—
Al Elliottthere's one, there's a—
Leanne ElliottCan I just have 5 minutes?
Danny WarehamOh. But that doesn't annoy people. So steal food. And asked for 5 minutes. Apparently that's okay. Yeah.
Al ElliottTo be fair, I have got here face-to-face conversations. And did you say phone calls?
Leanne ElliottPhone, yeah.
Al ElliottSo I've got phone calls and face-to-face conversations. So Danny could go under there, but unfortunately phone calls are 21%, face-to-face is 11%. So Leanne wins that round. So it's 3-2. I know, I know. All right. Okay. Right. Let's have a go at this one then. So let's ask you two. Um, I've got 2 questions here. We've got, what's the weirdest thing you've found in an office desk drawer? Or what's something you've secretly done at work that you've never admitted to? Which one of those 2 do you want?
Leanne ElliottOh, they're both really good.
Al ElliottI know. Uh, should we do them both? And I might— and just— yeah, doing both. All right, so we'll start off with, we asked 100 UK workers, what's the weirdest thing you found in an office desk drawer?
Leanne ElliottLeigh!
Al ElliottOh, again, I'm blaming the delay. Uh, okay, Leigh, go for it.
Leanne ElliottA vibrator.
Al ElliottCan we find it? Right. I'm gonna say, because we've got toys or games, and we can put that in toys.
Leanne ElliottI'm not sure that's the same thing, love. I appreciate the support, but unless it's like sex toys or games, it seems very—
Danny WarehamIt says more about you, Al, than the answer.
Leanne ElliottIt's the same, right?
Danny WarehamI'm not coming for a game of Kaplug.
Al ElliottKaplunk does sound like a, like a sex toy, doesn't it?
Leanne ElliottI won't say what I was about to say. Carry on.
Al ElliottWe'll, we'll, uh, we'll, we'll do that in the, uh, in the—
Leanne ElliottThat's close. I just hit myself in real time then.
Al ElliottTruth Lies in Work After Hours. That's what that's gonna be. Danny, you get to go.
Danny WarehamAs soon as you've gone sex, I'm gonna have to go drugs.
Al ElliottOh yes, yes, we've got Medication is the third, the third.
Leanne ElliottStrangest thing. It's not that strange.
Al ElliottI know this, this isn't, this isn't great.
Leanne ElliottI'm not gonna lie to you.
Danny WarehamBy its nature, the strangest thing would be something like completely novel, and one person out of 100 will say, I can't even think of something that's a bit random.
Al ElliottWell, see, you've said drugs. I'm gonna go, yeah, yeah, medication. Because that's more, it's much more exciting in general. I'm gonna give you an idea of the quality of this question that the, that 14% said, what's the weirdest thing you found in an office drawer? They've answered nothing unusual.
Danny WarehamOh God.
Leanne ElliottAt least make it up. Like mouldy coffee cups. Oh yeah. Mouldy coffee cups.
Al ElliottSo I think, Danny, you get to play. So, I will be a little generous with this. So say something a bit ridiculous and I'll probably be able to link it to something that's a bit more mundane here.
Danny WarehamIt's gonna be old tat. So, old leaflets, or— I used to work in telephony, so finding old technology. Antiquated, like a phone from 10 years ago.
Al ElliottSo you're saying out of date? Sorry, I didn't hear the exact part.
Danny WarehamSo out of date, chisel. Chisel as a technical word for— Is there a chisel word for anything that can get this question right?
Leanne ElliottYeah.
Al ElliottSorry, I really tried with that. I've tried to— I gave you an opportunity saying I didn't hear what you said so you could change your answer, but unfortunately, no, that's not in there. The nearest thing I've got to that is a toothbrush or toiletries. Hmm. Yeah, no, Lee, this is getting a bit shit. So should we just—
Leanne ElliottCan I have one more guess?
Al ElliottYeah, one more guess.
Leanne ElliottI'm gonna say biscuits. Biscuits.
Al ElliottIf you were to give me a qualification of biscuits, like a—
Leanne ElliottChocolate biscuits.
Al ElliottI am sorry. No, the nearest I got to that is out-of-date food. I'll give you—
Leanne ElliottOh, Danny said out-of-date stuffs.
Al ElliottI said out-of-date shizzle, and he was talking about pamphlets. And that's why I said, Danny, I didn't quite hear what you said. Out-of-date what? And he doubled down. He doubled down. So, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm gonna put that as a draw. So you're both gonna get a point. So you're on 4.
Leanne ElliottI felt really bad at that round.
Al ElliottWe're all—
Danny WarehamI'm thinking the most random thing, and I swear this is a true story, was somebody had a pair of shoes in their drawer. There's nothing odd about that, but the re— we did a site sweep and we emptied lockers, 'cause there was a lot of people that had left over the years and we had to free up some locker space. And this chap had shoes in there. And it was because he was paranoid that anybody would see him in the toilet. So when he used to go to the toilet, he used to put a different pair of shoes on. So if anybody looked underneath and saw these shoes, they would not see him walking around the office in the same shoes.
Al ElliottOh.
Danny WarehamSo it's— so the item is not odd, but the reason for doing it, Froot Loop.
Leanne ElliottThat's a big commitment to privacy, that, isn't it? Yes.
Danny WarehamI'm gonna tell— They weren't big clown shoes or anything like that. No, because that'd be no small feet.
Leanne ElliottAh, I don't know.
Al ElliottJesus, brilliant. Oh, I love it. It took me a second as well. It took me a second. I was— I can't, I can't tell my, uh, my toilet Warrington story again because I've already told it. But if you're interested, go back to, uh, go back about 15 episodes and I'll tell you a story about me taking photos in a toilet in Warrington.
Leanne ElliottA women's toilet in Warrington.
Al ElliottYes.
Danny WarehamYeah.
Al ElliottWell, that kind of sports story.
Danny WarehamOr just Google it and it's in the Warrington Echo.
Al ElliottOkay, we'll do one last one, which is— we asked 100 now. Ready to buzz in? Ready to buzz in? Because currently we are 4 to Leanne and 3 to Danny. So we asked what— we asked, um, 100 British Workers, how do you unwind after a stressful day at work? Danny. Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny. How do you unwind after a stressful day at work?
Danny WarehamGlass of wine. A beer, a chill. We don't like you doing it socially, but it's okay on our own, apparently.
Al ElliottThere we go. That is up there. Well done. That is number 4 with 35%. Drink alcohol. Fabulous, fabulous. Okay, you're paying— are you playing or paying or drinking? What?
Danny WarehamGod, I wish I had a crystal ball.
Al ElliottI'll have a go at playing, 'cause it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Leanne Elliottdifference at how terrible I am.
Danny WarehamSo I think I've been answering from a, from a Danny position. Um, so my next guess will be something that I don't do, which is go to the gym, exercise.
Al ElliottOh yes, hang on. Yes, brilliant. So that's 2 for 2. You gonna keep going?
Danny WarehamI drive way too fast to worry about my cholesterol. Um, about to worry about what? So, what was the answer? Was that exercise or gym was the answer for that one?
Al ElliottExercise was the answer.
Leanne ElliottAnd what order are these?
Al ElliottSo, that was number 4 and number 5.
Leanne ElliottSo, drinking was number 4.
Al ElliottDrinking. So, more people drink than they do, than they exercise.
Leanne ElliottBut there's 3 other activities they'd rather do than— okay.
Danny WarehamThat's why I wondered if exercise is more specific, like I go and play a sport or go for a walk. I'm gonna say walk the dog.
Al ElliottI'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be a little bit cut— I'm gonna say that all of that would come under exercise. So, The top 3 are very different. 4's different. One of them isn't that different. Isn't that different?
Danny WarehamWatch TV.
Al ElliottWatch TV is— oh, well, it's, it's not there, but I don't think— I think it should be.
Leanne ElliottWho are these people?
Al ElliottI don't know.
Leanne ElliottHow are they spending their time?
Danny WarehamThese are the— what was the interviewer like? We need, we need to look into the psychology behind the items and the, Was it a particularly attractive individual who's doing the questions? In which case, what's that social desirability bias looking like?
Leanne ElliottYeah, exactly.
Danny WarehamI love extreme sports, cliff diving, skydiving, and lying.
Leanne ElliottI volunteer at an animal shelter.
Danny WarehamThe problem is I can't do much.
Al ElliottI saw this tweet the other day, someone saying, I tried this in real life and it actually kind of worked. They went to a librarian and said, I'm looking for a book on how to pick up Do you have one? And this librarian's like, oh, very smooth.
Danny WarehamAnd anyway, I'm looking for a book on how to deal with rejection without killing.
Leanne ElliottWow.
Danny WarehamDo you have it?
Al ElliottWell, if we, well, if we're gonna go dark, I'm looking at a book. Okay.
Leanne ElliottSo, wow.
Danny WarehamI think we've got our first edit. We've enjoyed it almost an hour. We've got our first edit.
Al ElliottYeah, that's going. That's not staying in. That's not staying in. Okay. Oh my God. Okay. Uh, right, so we're up to Lee. I think you're gonna have a guess.
Leanne ElliottIs it— what's the question?
Al ElliottTo relax after work? Unwind after a stressful day at work. And I'll be honest, the first 2 ones are weird. Yeah, just, just something I'd be like, well, I wouldn't answer that. That's a weird thing to say.
Leanne ElliottCook.
Al ElliottCook is, I'm gonna say eat. So, I've got Danny at comfy, so I'm gonna give you that. Well done. And one last, yeah, do you wanna give one more? One more?
Leanne ElliottWhat would weird people do? Maybe they go shopping.
Al ElliottGo shopping. Oh, it's not there. Danny, to draw even, you just need to give me one of the other answers that's on there.
Leanne ElliottI'll do some, wait, wait.
Al ElliottDo-doof.
Danny WarehamOh yeah.
Al ElliottOh, we're gonna do do-doof. Yeah, have I got any sound effects for this? Let me have a look. I don't.
Danny WarehamI'm gonna go out on a limb, and I think that the question might have been asked to Pharrell Williams. So I'm gonna go, change clothes. Get changed, get out of my uniform.
Al ElliottNo. I'm sorry, that was—
Leanne ElliottHow tight of a rope?
Danny WarehamTee that up just for me.
Al ElliottI've never used it before on the pod, and I love it. I'm sorry. So that means that Leanne wins.
Leanne ElliottNo, Danny won that one because I only got one right.
Al ElliottSo that means it's a draw, isn't it?
Danny WarehamNone of us are losers.
Al ElliottI do have to stop that. There we go. Okay, right. And I don't know how to stop that effect. Okay, just turn that down. Sorry about deafening you before with my previous effect. I will just give you you the— this is why, this is why, this is why I should have probably made some of these answers up rather than relying on—
Danny WarehamThis is why you should check your AI work.
Leanne ElliottExactly.
Al ElliottThis is, this is not AI slop. This is Al slop. How do you unwind after a stressful day at work? Number— top answer was spend time with family.
Leanne ElliottOh, really?
Al ElliottYeah, I know. That would be the—
Leanne Elliottwow.
Al ElliottI would not wanna do that. Second, second one is much more likely. Spend time on my own.
Leanne ElliottOh, right.
Al ElliottYeah. Yeah. And third, listen to music, which should be listen to music, straight watch TV. I, I think I, I should have gone in there and edited that myself.
Leanne ElliottI'm amazed watch TV isn't on there.
Al ElliottYeah. We had comfort, eat. We had spend time with friends and then nothing. 5% of people just said, I do nothing. So that was the world's worst answers to family fortune. I'm so sorry. I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go and first of all, talk to ChatGPT and have a, have a face-to-face with ChatGPT and saying this, this wasn't very good.
Leanne ElliottWere some of those from actual YouGov surveys though? Yeah.
Al ElliottBut the YouGov survey were a bit dull questions. They were like, um, what's your biggest concern about AI at work? I thought that's gonna bring the, bring the fucking mood down. Uh, exactly. Um, and then, uh, and then a lot of them were just like, what office annoyance, what annoys you most? What's your biggest workplace pet peeve? And I'm like, these are all the same things. There is one which you both will really enjoy, and it says, what makes you feel most valued at work? There are 6 answers of which all of them use one particular word.
Leanne ElliottOh.
Al ElliottWould you have a guess at the word?
Danny WarehamDid we have this question? It'd be culture. Well, what is— it's more of a—
Al ElliottKeep throwing.
Leanne ElliottManage good managers.
Al ElliottIt is—
Danny WarehamTrain your managers.
Al ElliottThey are all recognition from, and then it goes from my manager, from my senior leader, from my manager's manager, from a customer, from a colleague, other forms of recognition.
Leanne ElliottIt's so hot right now.
Danny WarehamIt's like, you want to be seen.
Al ElliottYeah.
Leanne ElliottOh yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know.
Al ElliottAnyway, right, if you are still with us, then congratulations. I think all of us really checked out a few minutes ago. Uh, thank you for putting up with this absolute shit show of an episode, but hopefully you've just sat there and it's just washed over you as, as the waves from the Adriatic Sea would wash over you were you in the port of Split.
Leanne ElliottIndeed, indeed. And the good news is we've got another summer session coming up next week. We're doing it next week. We're doing Am I the Asshole with Dr. Jake Tuber. I'm not gonna lie, it's borderline. We might get cancelled for next week. So tune into that and we'll see how it goes. But as for today, a huge thank you to the awesome Danny Wareham. We love you so much, Danny. Thank you.
Danny WarehamI love you too. This has been fab.
Al ElliottWe definitely need a dress rehearsal next time.
Leanne ElliottMaybe.
Al ElliottThis was, yeah. This, this, this didn't go as well as I hoped, but you two were absolutely awesome. Thank you so, so much. And I will—
Danny WarehamI am sat right here. I can hear what you're saying.
Al ElliottI meant—
Leanne ElliottI think he's talking about himself, right?
Al ElliottYes, exactly.
Leanne ElliottHow was Al's performance today?
Al ElliottOh man. Oh, I'm so, I'm so sad. I'm so sad because you two were absolutely brilliant. And, uh, yes, I made a shit of that. Uh, so if you want to learn more about Danny, go and find him on LinkedIn. I think he occasionally posts maybe like once every 2 hours or something. You go and check out his book. Also, dannywareham.co.uk. Is that your website?
Danny WarehamIt is, or fergan.co.uk as well.
Al ElliottBrilliant. And happy bees make happy honey? No, what's—
Leanne ElliottTasty honey.
Al ElliottTasty honey. Told you we need rehearsal.
Leanne ElliottHonestly, if you did for some reason, probably all Danny, enjoy today's episode, then we would love it if you left us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts. It really helps people discover the show, and we genuinely take your feedback On board. Uh, we have now cut the jingle from our news roundup. We're trialling it because we had some feedback, really didn't like it. So we genuinely listen. Let us know, um, what we can do better. Um, but if it's not like glowing, maybe just email us that and like the review, make that the good stuff. Um, and then on Thursday we are joined— oh, this is a good one— Dr. Rachel Morris. She is coming on to talk to us about 5 ways to switch off over summer.
Al ElliottIt's a shame the camera stops at Leanne's neck because she's just playing an imaginary piano. Then she goes, Doctor, Rachel Morris. I love it. I love it. Also reminds me, I'll send you that. I'm sure you've seen the video of the guy from Cash in the Attic or whatever, where he just plays the piano. He always does this. How much would you sell this house for?
Leanne ElliottOh yeah, they do that.
Al ElliottIt's a very visual thing. I will send it to you, Danny. Danny, any closing thoughts or regrets that you want to air?
Danny WarehamWell, as I've just been asked by Leanne, I will put my regrets in an email rather than in the middle of a public forum. No, it's always brilliant just spending time with you guys. And if you, if you If you like imaginary instruments being played, you should also check out Trump's Accordion, which is not a euphemism. It's worth it.
Al ElliottDanny, Danny, will you come back for another session of something?
Danny WarehamI will be— oh, sod it, yes. It depends. If we're going to do Family Fortunes again, My competitive edge says absolutely not. I don't like competing at a sport that I'm going to lose at. Through no fault of my own, through the blatant cheating as having the host and my competitor sat in the same room within button reach feels somewhat— Exactly.
Al ElliottAlright. I promise you, listener, I promise you this genuinely. Leanne didn't see any of these answers, but I don't think it would've helped her if it did, because they were all a bit shit, so—
Leanne ElliottIt was a draw! It was a draw. It was a draw.
Al ElliottOkay. So we're looking forward to Dr. Rachel Morris on Thursday. We're looking forward to Dr. Jake. God, it's Dr. heavy, isn't it? Look at Dr. Jake next Tuesday.
Leanne ElliottShow-offs with their PhDs.
Al ElliottI am stupid. You, you've got a PhD, haven't you, Danny?
Danny WarehamNo, I don't. I don't. Just a boring old master's or 2.
Al ElliottMaster's or 2. More master's than I've got. Right. We'll speak to you soon. Say bye, Daddy.
Danny WarehamBye-bye, Daddy.
Al ElliottDid you say bye-bye, Daddy? Okay, right, stop this.
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