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0:00Summer Sessions housekeeping and introducing Danny WarehamDanny Wareham: Our survey said— Al Elliott: This episode contains probably some strong language and likely some adult themes and probably some dad jokes. Listener discretion is advised Leanne Elliott: Hello, welcome to aEP 326 · 11 Aug 2026·intro· 0:00–2:360:02Intro — Summer Sessions & how the game worksLeanne Elliott: Welcome to another episode of our Truth, Lies and Work Summer Sessions. For the next few weeks, we're taking a little break from the workplace news and the deep dives to bring you something a bit lighter,EP 324 · 4 Aug 2026·intro· 0:02–5:010:02Summer Sessions kickoff and guest introLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to episode 1 of our Summer Sessions 2026. So for the next few weeks, we're taking a little break from the workplace news and the heavier topics to bring you something a little bit more fEP 322 · 28 Jul 2026·interview· 0:02–9:070:02Introducing Rebecca Taylor and summer chit-chatLeanne Elliott: This episode may contain some coarse language. Listener discretion is advised Al Elliott: Coming up this week in work Leanne Elliott: You might not be surprised to hear that some of the conversations our EP 318 · 14 Jul 2026·intro· 0:02–11:0266:20Outro: Where to find Rebecca and what's coming upAl Elliott: I know, very well behaved Rebecca Taylor: Yeah, I'm actually very proud of us Leanne Elliott: And that was in the context of a book title, so I don't think it counts. Does it? Yeah, yeah, no, fineEP 318 · 14 Jul 2026·intro· 66:20–69:390:02Intro and banter with Dr. Jake TuberAl Elliott: Coming up this week in work, Leanne is away, so guess who is here to replace her? Yep, it's the man who laughs in the face of nominal determinism, my second favorite organizational psychologist, the dork fromEP 312 · 23 Jun 2026·intro· 0:02–10:0053:38Wrap-up and where to find Dr. JakeJake Tuber: Okay. I think we've reached the tipping point of your Gladwell references here Al Elliott: Oh, very nice. Very nice. I can't think of Right. So, uh, talking of, talking of people who, who are obsessed with woEP 312 · 23 Jun 2026·outro· 53:38–55:230:02Episode 300 celebrations and introductionsLeanne Elliott: This episode contains some coarse language, so listener discretion is advised. Al Elliott: Coming up this week in work. Leanne Elliott: A.I.'s been causing stress at work for a while, and if you believe tEP 300 · 12 May 2026·intro· 0:02–10:5971:45Closing thoughts & where to find JakeAl Elliott: Lovely. Dr. Jake, any closing thoughts? Jake Tuber: There is some value in the play-acting part of executive presence if it does mean something in your organization. I have no problem with you playing a fool'EP 300 · 12 May 2026·outro· 71:45–74:490:01Intro and welcome to Truth, Lies & Work LIVE!Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work. What you're about to hear is from one of our recent LinkedIn Lives, a live panel discussion where we dig into the big questions shaping modern work. If you'd likEP LIVE-2026-05-01 · 1 May 2026·intro· 0:01–8:2730:40Truth or Lie — The Kübler-Ross Change Curve, with Matt FurnessAl Elliott: Welcome back to Truth or Lie. You know what I'm about to say. It's that time of the week where we take a popular workplace idea and ask if the research actually backs it up. This week, Leanne can take a bit oEP 296 · 28 Apr 2026·truth or lie· 30:40–43:1958:12Outro / What's coming upLeanne Elliott: Just to say to come back next Thursday. Um, we've got a wonderful episode. Who's it with? Al Elliott: Thomas Waits. Thomas Waits. So I've been looking forward to, to, to publishing this one for a long timEP 296 · 28 Apr 2026·intro· 58:12–59:560:01Intro and welcome to Truth, Lies & Work LIVELeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work. What you're about to hear is from one of our recent LinkedIn Lives, a live panel discussion where we dig into the big questions shaping modern work. If you'd likEP LIVE-2026-04-03 · 3 Apr 2026·intro· 0:01–5:330:01Introduction and panel setupLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work. What you're about to hear is from one of our recent LinkedIn Lives, a live panel discussion where we dig into the big questions shaping modern work. If you'd likEP LIVE-2026-03-25 · 25 Mar 2026·intro· 0:01–4:400:37Meet Andrew Palmer — Boss Class Season 3 goes hands-on with AIAl Elliott: Our guest today, Andrew Palmer, writes about management for The Economist and hosts Boss Class, currently in the top 5 management podcasts in the UK. He spent an entire season inside real companies like JohnsEP 277 · 19 Feb 2026·interview· 0:37–4:5453:08Top 3 takeaways and where to find AndrewAl Elliott: So that was Andrew Palmer from The Economist. And I don't know about you, Leanne, but I came away from that feeling usefully confused Leanne Elliott: Yes, which it turns out is exactly where Andrew thinks we EP 277 · 19 Feb 2026·outro· 53:08–54:4746:36Al and Leanne's reflections and outroAl Elliott: What struck me most was the whole idea that the truth is funny. It sounds really simple, but when you really think about it, Those moments that genuinely connect with people aren't the rehearsed jokes. They'rEP 269 · 22 Jan 2026·interview· 46:36–48:040:01Intro and News Roundup KickoffAl Elliott: Coming up this week in work Leanne Elliott: I have a new word. I'll explain it properly in just a bit. It's a new way people are treating work, and it matters for anyone who hires or manages a team Al ElliottEP 268 · 20 Jan 2026·news roundup· 0:01–3:550:02Introduction to the holiday crossover episodeLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture, brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business prEP 259 · 18 Dec 2025·intro· 0:02–2:382:55Welcome to Truth, Lies & Work: Episode overview and prize drawLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture, brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business prEP 257 · 11 Dec 2025·intro· 2:55–4:2747:07Top 3 takeaways and how to enter the drawAl Elliott: That was Rob Kalvorowski, and I really hope you noticed that interview was a little bit different because Rob's not selling us some productivity hack or morning routine. He's telling us the brutal truth. If yEP 257 · 11 Dec 2025·interview· 47:07–49:581:43Meet Aoife O'BrienLeanne Elliott: That is Aoife O'Brien, host of the award-winning Happier at Work podcast and author of the upcoming book Thriving Talent. Today, she's going to explain why some people may be just difficult at work Al EllEP 255 · 4 Dec 2025·interview· 1:43–3:4048:35Top 3 takeaways for leadersAl Elliott: Okay, so that was Aoife O'Brien, and if you like her stories, then definitely check out our podcast Happier at Work Leanne Elliott: I'd like to wrap up with our 3 takeaways for leaders. Lesson 1, there's rareEP 255 · 4 Dec 2025·interview· 48:35–50:2450:18Outro and wrap-upAl Elliott: That was Nick Power, someone I recommend you immediately go and follow. All the links are in the show notes Leanne Elliott: I really enjoyed my chat with Nick, and I loved that he's not telling people to burnEP 249 · 13 Nov 2025·outro· 50:18–51:060:00Intro and news roundup kickoffAl Elliott: Coming up this week in work Leanne Elliott: Would you make 100 phone calls a day for £24,000 a year? Well, a London firm is hiring salespeople in Dubai with brutal targets and barely any base pay. They call iEP 240 · 14 Oct 2025·news roundup· 0:00–2:150:02Summer Sessions intro and ranking setupLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture. We are brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for busiEP 226 · 26 Aug 2025·other· 0:02–4:5845:12Top 3 takeawaysAl Elliott: That was Andrew Palmer from The Economist, the Bartleby column, and host of Boss Class podcast. 3 key takeaways, I think. Number one, great management is both poetry and prose. You need to inspire and organisEP 217 · 24 Jul 2025·interview· 45:12–46:200:02Intro — coming up this weekAl Elliott: Coming up this week in work Leanne Elliott: How can you tell the difference between genuine care and emotional performance? This week we're asking whether modern leadership has become too good at sounding empEP 214 · 15 Jul 2025·intro· 0:02–0:5758:03Outro and Next Week's TeaseAl Elliott: Yeah, totally agree. If you've got your— if you've got any questions you want to put to Leanne, then check out our show notes because there's links in there where you can submit your question. I believe that'EP 212 · 8 Jul 2025·outro· 58:03–59:370:02Intro and News Roundup KickoffAl Elliott: Coming up this week in work Leanne Elliott: Is hustle culture making a comeback, just in some slightly prettier packaging? There's a new TikTok trend that looks like discipline but might actually be driving bEP 208 · 24 Jun 2025·news roundup· 0:02–2:5630:15Mid-roll breakAl Elliott: Okay, so there's the first 4 questions. We've got 4 questions coming after the break. Don't go anywhere. Billion Dollar Moves, hosted by Sarah Chen Spellings, is brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network,EP 203 · 5 Jun 2025·other· 30:15–32:294:09The backstory: Why there was no Thursday episodeAl Elliott: Yeah. So, the more observant of you will have noticed there was no episode on Thursday. That's because we go back to last Wednesday. We were, uh, just to set the scene, we aren't permanent residents of BosniaEP 201 · 2 Jun 2025·other· 4:09–7:3951:31Outro and what's coming nextAl Elliott: Fabulous. So I think that's all for now. Join us next Tuesday for another edition of This Week in Work, um, and have a little look at our YouTube channel. I keep saying this, but, uh, Leanne's chopping up litEP 192 · 29 Apr 2025·outro· 51:31–54:360:33Intro and WelcomeVeerle Numan: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name EP 174 · 25 Feb 2025·intro· 0:33–2:370:33Intro and welcoming Skye WatersonAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 173 · 20 Feb 2025·intro· 0:33–4:1645:50What's Next and OutroLeanne Elliott: Sensitive nature Al Elliott: Yes, of a sensitive nature. Okay, so this Thursday we're bringing you an absolute zinger. We are joined by Skye Watterson, who is one of the top experts on adult ADHD. She is EP 172 · 18 Feb 2025·news roundup· 45:50–47:3039:14Wrap-Up and What's NextAl Elliott: Beautiful, beautiful answer as always. Anything to add, do you think, before we sort of say goodbye to these lovely people? Leanne Elliott: Nothing to add Al Elliott: You guys have a phenomenal week. We will EP 170 · 11 Feb 2025·news roundup· 39:14–41:120:33Intro from Northern ItalyAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 165 · 23 Jan 2025·intro· 0:33–4:340:33Welcome back to the first This Week in Work of 2025Al Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 164 · 21 Jan 2025·news roundup· 0:33–2:350:33Intro — Welcome to the Unfiltered SeriesAl Elliott: Nice Al Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name is LeaEP 162 · 14 Jan 2025·intro· 0:33–3:3841:12The story behind Eat Sleep Work RepeatBruce Daisley: The podcast was formed by my own desire to make work better. I mentioned I worked at Twitter, and tech firm culture isn't always the best. And there was certainly a time we'd been forced to do a round of jEP 162 · 14 Jan 2025·interview· 41:12–45:1243:51What We Should Have Asked but Didn'tLeanne Elliott: Is there anything I should have asked you, Nora, about this whole world that I haven't? Nora Burns: Oh, I mean, seriously, we— you and I in particular could talk about this for weeks. There's so many diffEP 161 · 9 Jan 2025·interview· 43:51–45:120:33Intro and welcome to Angela FosterAngela Foster: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network. The audio destination for business professionals. My nameEP 149 · 28 Nov 2024·intro· 0:33–5:420:33Intro and this week in work previewAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network. The audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 146 · 19 Nov 2024·news roundup· 0:33–1:540:33Intro and Weekly News Roundup KickoffAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network. The audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 144 · 12 Nov 2024·news roundup· 0:33–2:420:33Introducing Kat Troyer and Liz BronsonAl Elliott: Nice Al Elliott: My name is Al, I'm a business owner Leanne Elliott: And we are here to help you simplify the science of work and create amazing workplace culturesEP 137 · 17 Oct 2024·intro· 0:33–3:470:33Intro and weekly roundup previewAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals Al Elliott:EP 136 · 15 Oct 2024·news roundup· 0:33–2:440:33Intro and weekly news roundup kickoffAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 134 · 8 Oct 2024·news roundup· 0:33–2:360:33What is psychopathy (and what it isn't)Al Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses Abigail Marsh: I think a lot of people conflate psychopathy with serial killers. You know, people think of characters like HanEP 131 · 26 Sept 2024·interview· 0:33–9:1443:05Wrap-up and takeawaysAl Elliott: So, there you have it. That is this week's world-famous weekly workplace surgery. If you've got a question, you know how to get in touch. Check the show notes. There'll be an email address in there. Just sendEP 130 · 24 Sept 2024·news roundup· 43:05–45:140:33Why we're finally asking the questionAl Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast Brought to you by the HubSpot EP 110 · 27 Jun 2024·panel interview· 0:33–1:370:33Introducing Dimple and Roots in the CloudsAl Elliott: Nice Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to Truth, Lies and Work, the award-winning psychology podcast Brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name isEP 108 · 20 Jun 2024·intro· 0:33–11:201:01Intro: the tweet that started it allAl Elliott: My name's Al and my headphones are securely fastened Leanne Elliott: We are here to help you simplify the science of work Al Elliott: This is the Thursday edition. Tuesday edition, we have the news roundup, wEP 106 · 13 Jun 2024·intro· 1:01–2:5829:11Mid-roll breakAl Elliott: Seamless, seamless. Tell us about your latest episode, Phil Jonathan Bennett: It can Jonathan Bennett: I amEP 104 · 6 Jun 2024·interview· 29:11–30:4044:23Final word from Jonathan and outroLeanne Elliott: Before we go, here is a final word from Jonathan explaining how you can find out a bit more about him The most common place people reach out to connect is on LinkedIn Jonathan Bennett: And I am a real humEP 104 · 6 Jun 2024·interview· 44:23–46:031:09Introducing Amelia and Lydia MillerLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to the Truth, Lies and Work podcast. podcast brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name is Leanne. I'm a business psychologiEP 94 · 2 May 2024·intro· 1:09–4:3610:03Clip: Leanne on the We Are Human Leaders PodcastAl Elliott: Yep, it's those pesky Gen Zers again thinking they're first to come up with things. I mean, of course they're just— because every generation thinks they've invented something new, and the older generation smiEP 92 · 23 Apr 2024·news roundup· 10:03–10:4013:07Highlights from last week's episode with John SmithAl Elliott: Anyway, so that is the end of the news roundup. Last week we had the gracious and loquacious John Smith. By the way, I've just come up with that term and I'm enjoying it. That's what we're getting on a t-shirEP 92 · 23 Apr 2024·news roundup· 13:07–16:1014:2060 Second Highlights: Nora Burns' new podcast & Thursday's guestAl Elliott: Couple of the little bits before we get on to our surgery. If you missed last Thursday's episode, we had Ben Branson-Gately, apparently no relation to Richard, um, the co-founder of Charlie and the Chocolate EP 90 · 16 Apr 2024·news roundup· 14:20–21:261:07Welcome to Truth, Lies & WorkLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to the Truth, Lies and Work podcast, brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name is Leanne. I'm a business psychologist Al ElEP 89 · 11 Apr 2024·intro· 1:07–2:0336:16Celebrating podcast milestones and encouraging reviewsAl Elliott: If you like this episode, go find us on LinkedIn, search for Truth, Lies and Work and tell us all about it. Perhaps even tag in Ben and say how much you enjoyed listening to him. And if you have a question thEP 89 · 11 Apr 2024·interview· 36:16–38:0531:18Wrap-up and call to actionLeanne Elliott: Yeah, no, he's nice, he's nice, he's nice Al Elliott: Anything to add? Leanne Elliott: Not really, just that if you have a question for the surgery or indeed anything else you want us to talk about, debatEP 86 · 2 Apr 2024·news roundup· 31:18–32:300:33Introduction: A Strange Managerial ExperienceAl Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses Isabel Berwick: You know, I had one manager who trusted me so little that when, when they were off sick, I had to travel to thEP 85 · 28 Mar 2024·intro· 0:33–5:075:07Introducing Isabel Berwick and Her BookIsabel Berwick: So I'm Isabel Berwick. I am the host of the FT's Working It podcast about the workplace, management, leadership. I write the Working It newsletter, which goes out to FT subscribers every Wednesday Al ElliEP 85 · 28 Mar 2024·intro· 5:07–8:4323:39The Importance of Listening in ManagementAl Elliott: Seamless, seamless. Tell us about your latest episode, Phil Al Elliott: And we talk about the behavioural science behind fandom and how that encourages people to enjoy the music and all of that good stuff, anEP 85 · 28 Mar 2024·interview· 23:39–33:120:37Rebrand reveal: from Truth, Lies and Workplace Culture to Truth, Lies and WorkLeanne Elliott: Hello and welcome to the Truth, Lies and Work podcast, brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. My name is Leanne. I'm a business psychologist Al ElEP 84 · 26 Mar 2024·news roundup· 0:37–5:5734:38Looking ahead and listener engagementAl Elliott: Yeah Leanne Elliott: And that's why your savings might be a bit more, a bit more precious to you. Um, but yeah, if you've got time to recover, I'd say go for it Al Elliott: So I think that's just about it forEP 84 · 26 Mar 2024·news roundup· 34:38–35:530:33The story every listener has met beforeAl Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses John Amaechi OBE: Uh, the story I often tell is the idea that every one of us, every person listening to this, has met this maEP 82 · 14 Mar 2024·interview· 0:33–1:032:11Introduction to the episode and hostsLeanne Elliott: We know exactly who's who. We can see you Al Elliott: So we have some exciting changes coming soon here at Truth and Lies. Leanne and I have been working on a secret project that's almost ready to share wEP 81 · 8 Mar 2024·intro· 2:11–6:3245:23Final thoughts and where to find Dr. MartinAl Elliott: So there you have it, your introduction to anger and dealing with angry people. We highly recommend you go and buy Dr. Ryan's book and go and follow him on all the socials. Um, his content is really brilliantEP 81 · 8 Mar 2024·outro· 45:23–49:1539:54Where to find Joe and wrap-upAl Elliott: Joe is a legend. I know that you'll want to hear more from him, and the best place to start is the podcast. But Joe's got a deeper mission than just bringing you cool guests each week Joe Fier: Hop over to thEP 76 · 1 Feb 2024·outro· 39:54–43:580:33Welcome back to Part 2 — setting the sceneStuart Sandeman: Nice Al Elliott: Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses Stuart Sandeman: When my girlfriend passed away, um, and I was in a bad headspace, I— breathing— I came acrossEP 70 · 21 Dec 2023·intro· 0:33–2:300:33Welcome and episode previewChris Savage: Nice Chris Savage: You are what you tolerate, you know, like a culture. You can say all these things, you can write them down, you can do it, but the, the reality on the ground is you have to deliver it. SoEP 68 · 8 Dec 2023·intro· 0:33–3:340:33Why we're doing lighter summer episodesAl Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses. So basically, high pay means that you can kind of treat your guys like whatever you want, like in Suits or Billions or all thEP 50 · 3 Aug 2023·other· 0:33–2:4114:04Introducing guests: Ryan, Louise and JasonLeanne Elliott: Yes Al Elliott: So if you do see the sweat, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We'll try and edit it out in post. I say that. I don't have a clue how to do that. Okay. So on to the main section. Okay. So today, EP 49 · 27 Jul 2023·intro· 14:04–16:535:23Meet the 16 guestsAl Elliott: They do not. It is really, really— in fact, we've got, like you say, we've got— I mean, is it 12 people on the— on who are going to be appearing on the podcast today? We'll go through them all in a second. AnEP 43 · 14 Jun 2023·other· 5:23–9:082:36Meet the guests: Amy McKeown, Andrew Berrie, and Michael BrazierAl Elliott: Now, before we meet our guests, just take a moment. We take 90 seconds to tell you about another podcast on the network that we're really enjoying right now. Okay, so these 3 guests. Our first guest is Amy McEP 40 · 24 May 2023·intro· 2:36–6:330:33Back from The Watercooler: recap and thanksAl Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses Leanne Elliott: I think the whole sentiment of the event kind of chimes with what we're all about, which is about making work EP 37 · 3 May 2023·other· 0:33–9:2664:37Where to find Sarah, Simon & MelissaAl Elliott: And penultimately, go and check out Sarah's podcast, Billion Dollar Moves. Uh, she's got some Some amazing guests on there, a really interesting one. I don't know whether we're allowed to talk about it. She dEP 28 · 1 Mar 2023·outro· 64:37–67:2678:39OutroAl Elliott: Okay, so it's been another chunky episode. We have covered all kinds of things in this. A couple of things you need to know, if you want anything we've linked to or we've discussed, we will link to in the shoEP 26 · 15 Feb 2023·outro· 78:39–79:570:33Festive catch-up and introAl Elliott: Nice. Check out hopspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses. Just by someone saying that makes you really reflect on what's happened to you Leanne Elliott: Hello and welcome back to the EP 18 · 29 Dec 2022·other· 0:33–2:411:29Why this episode happened (and the format twist)Leanne Elliott: Well, today is a little bit of a bonus episode, really. It's one that, um, we hadn't planned for, and we have others planned for that will be coming to you very, very soon. Um, but we were thinking, you kEP 07 · 9 Aug 2022·other· 1:29–2:5421:46Wrap-up and how to get in touchLeanne Elliott: Yeah, yeah, I, I'm uncomfortable suggesting that simply because it's the reason that business psychology, occupational psychology exists as a profession, is that so much work is done into making sure we'rEP 01 · 6 Jul 2022·other· 21:46–25:22
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