# burnout
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16:16Finance burnout: Is money really the motivator?Leanne Elliott: Ooh Al Elliott: Number 2 is that they are struggling because 95% of them say they are burnt out to some degree, and 3 quarters have actually thought about walking away from work because of it. Number 3, iEP 316 · 7 Jul 2026·news roundup· 16:16–18:5916:10When middle managers start to give upKristien Turner: Um, you know, middle managers also started to give up, Leanne, when it was The feedback survey, the engagement survey that they've responded to every bloody year, and they've manifested the same concernsEP 311 · 18 Jun 2026·interview· 16:10–24:1050:20Workplace Surgery: Is work-life balance realistic in competitive industries?Al Elliott: I love that. I love that. I must have heard that story half a dozen times, and I love hearing it. Brilliant. Okay. And it was called shitposting. That's what— that's officially where you're coming down on. YoEP 308 · 9 Jun 2026·workplace surgery· 50:20–57:4753:40Workplace Surgery — Q3: Trapped in a culture of meeting overloadLeanne Elliott: Fabulous Al Elliott: Thank you so much. Okay, final question here. And this person, he says, I've got no time to actually think. It said, I spend 3 quarters of my day in meetings. By the time I get to actEP 302 · 19 May 2026·workplace surgery· 53:40–57:120:00The Cornell prodigy who hit a wallAl Elliott: There's a woman who went to Cornell at 17 years old and got her PhD. She became a psychologist. She built a career that earned her nothing but praise her entire life. Then she decided to start a business and EP 301 · 14 May 2026·interview· 0:00–1:038:32When being brilliant stops workingRosenna Bakari: It wasn't working for me. It worked until it didn't work. Right. And so then once I first started, I started a nonprofit, and that went well to some degree, but it didn't go the way that I wanted it to. EEP 301 · 14 May 2026·interview· 8:32–11:1453:32Workplace Surgery: The drained team leadAl Elliott: I do feel really bad because this is probably literally the 3rd person, 3rd time we've ever spoken. And all of those times I have taken the chronic piss out of you. So I'm so sorry about that. I do. Jake TubeEP 300 · 12 May 2026·workplace surgery· 53:32–60:3539:50Leading Through Burnout When You're Running on EmptyAl Elliott: So I'll read the question. Uh, so this person's writing in and basically the problem is that their team's burning out and so are they. So they write, I can see my team is burning out. The energy's gone. PeoplEP 292 · 14 Apr 2026·news roundup· 39:50–44:054:03Story 1: Psychological sovereignty & the 2026 overwhelmLeanne Elliott: I think we need some kind of doomsday jingle this week, please, because is anyone else just starting to freak out about the state of the world? Al Elliott: Yeah Leanne Elliott: Like, it's just like one thEP 288 · 31 Mar 2026·news roundup· 4:03–13:1920:03Story 3: The climate of constant connectivityLeanne Elliott: Well, speaking of leaders being annoying, right? This is a bit of research I came across that was basically looking at what is the impact of leaders' late-night behaviour on employees Al Elliott: Where'd EP 280 · 3 Mar 2026·news roundup· 20:03–27:175:20Story 1: The career comedownLeanne Elliott: I've got a new word Al Elliott: Yeah, you know by now, she, Leanne comes up with a word, I try and guess what it is. So what's the word? Leanne Elliott: Career comedownEP 276 · 17 Feb 2026·news roundup· 5:20–12:0235:24Workplace Surgery: Earliest Signs of BurnoutLeanne Elliott: No Al Elliott: I feel like I just, just shut the door on So go manifest and visualise. I am manifesting some amazing answers to this week's surgery questions, which are coming up right now. Question 1, LeEP 268 · 20 Jan 2026·workplace surgery· 35:24–42:170:00The high-capacity founder trapAl Elliott: Most business owners pride themselves on being high capacity. You know, that person who handles the operations, the marketing, and the strategy all at once. We rely on sheer willpower to get things off the grEP 267 · 15 Jan 2026·interview· 0:00–0:504:49The 'catch-all' problem — how leaders burn out their best peopleAl Elliott: Yeah Dustin Hillis: Encouraging them, training. So, a lot of leaders miss the fact that their role is to train people how to do what they're supposed to do, to set those expectations, and to make sure you donEP 267 · 15 Jan 2026·interview· 4:49–6:3045:08Workplace Surgery: building high-performance teams without burnoutAl Elliott: Love that. Love that. Okay. Question number 2, how do I build a high-performance team that doesn't settle for second best? Hi, Leanne. What is the best way you've actually found to achieve high performance ouEP 266 · 13 Jan 2026·workplace surgery· 45:08–49:1847:24Workplace Surgery: Reaching the top but feeling flatLeanne Elliott: Yes Al Elliott: No, question number 3. Harry, you've put me off. I've made it to the top, so why do I feel so flat? I'm in a senior leadership role, something I've worked towards 4 years on paper, I've maEP 252 · 25 Nov 2025·workplace surgery· 47:24–53:1441:39Workplace Surgery: Founder wellbeingAl Elliott: Love it. Love it. Okay, well, good luck with that. Um, question number 3, how do you protect your wellbeing as a founder? By the way, if you are a founder, then, um, drop me an email. We're building somethingEP 240 · 14 Oct 2025·workplace surgery· 41:39–47:440:00Digital hangover: what it is and how to recoverAl Elliott: Coming up this week in work Leanne Elliott: MrBeast is vibe-checking new hires with 90-day trials. That means temporary contracts, rental cars, and a clear shot at proving you're an A-player. Is it actually sEP 238 · 7 Oct 2025·news roundup· 0:00–7:5826:24Standing out without burning out (or being a jerk)Al Elliott: And even if you don't have a great manager, I think a lot of people think that in order for me as part of a 25-person team to be amazing and get all the things I want, then other people have to lose. I have tEP 230 · 9 Sept 2025·other· 26:24–29:1211:12Emotional exhaustion: the precursor to burnoutJohn Michel: Yeah. So emotional exhaustion is kind of the precursor to burnout. So burnout is when you become so taxed, so stressed, And your body, because you haven't coped emotionally or physically, your body is kind oEP 223 · 14 Aug 2025·interview· 11:12–14:140:00Carolina's story: from valedictorian to empty on her 34th birthdayAl Elliott: There's a Google employee who stopped drinking water during work hours, not because she forgot, but because she didn't have time to use the bathroom. There's a valedictorian with a perfect GPA who ate her lunEP 221 · 7 Aug 2025·interview· 0:00–5:229:19Healthy ambition vs. achievement addictionAl Elliott: Right. So Carolina has just told us about waking up on her 34th birthday, feeling completely empty despite having everything. But here's what I wanted to understand. Was this actually about achievement or wasEP 221 · 7 Aug 2025·interview· 9:19–10:3112:23How Carolina knew it was more than a bad weekAl Elliott: What's the difference between having a bad week or a bad month and what you felt like? How did you know it wasn't just something that, oh, it'll pass? Carolina Lasso: I thought it would be something that woulEP 221 · 7 Aug 2025·interview· 12:23–15:3615:36Step one: noticing the busyness badgeAl Elliott: So if someone's listening to this and it's resonating deeply, they're going, do you know what? I am wearing busyness as a badge. Can you give them something, some practical steps in saying how they climb downEP 221 · 7 Aug 2025·interview· 15:36–17:3125:17Back-to-back meetings and the breaking pointLeanne Elliott: But come back Al Elliott: Yeah, come back. Definitely come back because Nudge isn't as good as this. So come back. I'll cut that out. Keep that in. So going back to the young woman who was eating her luncEP 221 · 7 Aug 2025·interview· 25:17–28:0028:00What flourishing actually feels likeAl Elliott: For someone who's listening to this and going, you've used all these fluff words that I read everywhere, mindfulness, purpose, all this kind of stuff, transcendence. They're still not convinced. Is the one meEP 221 · 7 Aug 2025·interview· 28:00–35:2417:44Career Plateaus and Secret Burnout: The Hidden Cost of Feeling StuckLeanne Elliott: Um, I've seen some research and you know how I like my research, Al Al Elliott: You love a bit of research. Yeah, honestly, when Leanne goes to bed, she'll just sit there and read research. You can imaginEP 212 · 8 Jul 2025·news roundup· 17:44–25:2745:31Workplace Surgery: Should I Tell My Boss I'm Burnt Out?Al Elliott: Okay, on to question number 2, Leigh. Should I tell my boss I'm burnt out, or should I just push through and hope it gets better? I've been in a leadership role for about 7 months, managing a team of 11 in a EP 212 · 8 Jul 2025·workplace surgery· 45:31–51:3615:13Story 3: Perfectionism and Burnout in TechLeanne Elliott: You won soundbite of the week, that's for sure. Um, no, I do have something else and it is really cool. I have a study about perfectionism and a study that asked, is perfectionism causing burnout? Al ElliEP 208 · 24 Jun 2025·news roundup· 15:13–19:5512:42Q2 — Preventing burnout for the people left behindAl Elliott: Okay, that makes perfect sense. And I think also, just most people know this, when you take some time off, you go on holiday, if you're enjoying your work beforehand, but you might be slightly burnt out, OfteEP 203 · 5 Jun 2025·other· 12:42–20:5031:39Mental health challenges and the breaking pointAmit Singh Kalley: You know, I've always had ADHD. I only got diagnosed last year, so that's always caused a lack of understanding in who I am. It's led to friendship issues over the years. It's led to, Challenges that aEP 191 · 24 Apr 2025·interview· 31:39–36:020:00Cait Donovan's mission to end burnout cultureCait Donovan: My name is Cait Donovan. I'm a burnout expert. I feel like my job is to end burnout culture. The Gallup polls, the Harvard Business Reviews, the Wellbeing at Work reviews, the McKinsey reports, all of them EP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 0:00–4:044:04The current state of burnout in 2025Cait Donovan: I don't know that I'm famous, but my name is Cait Donovan. I'm a burnout expert. My history is in Chinese medicine crossed with Western medicine. So I have a degree in biobehavioral health and a master's deEP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 4:04–7:587:58Why pointing fingers at companies misses the pointCait Donovan: So, the reason that I say this and the reason I'm— I spend so much time on it is that people that work in burnout, in the burnout space, are often telling people, individuals, like, listen, burnout is not yEP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 7:58–12:4012:40The Six Buckets of burnout explainedCait Donovan: So, the first one is the workplace, right? So, how we're treated at work, if our value system matches the value system of the company, if the company's value system matches what it actually does in action, EP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 12:40–24:0028:46The family bucket under strainCait Donovan: The family bucket has been under massive strain because family members had to take on additional roles, especially mothers, right? All of a sudden, mothers were teachers, And they were keeping their jobs anEP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 28:46–31:0438:46The collective sense of loss in today's workplaceCait Donovan: Yeah Leanne Elliott: The list really goes on. People are increasingly overwhelmed. And what I'm hearing is an overwhelming sense of sadness. Yeah Cait Donovan: Of lossEP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 38:46–42:2044:30Cait's free self-diagnosis exercise and words of wisdomCait Donovan: Yeah, they can grab this exercise actually. If they go to caitdonovan.com/freebie-web, W-E-B, they can download this worksheet and do this worksheet on their own, the one that we've been talking about this EP 185 · 3 Apr 2025·interview· 44:30–47:3221:43Hot Take: Why Tech Can't Fix Burnout with John ChanJohn Chan: Yes, my hot take is that technology alone is not going to improve productivity, right? And no amount of AI is going to solve some of the systemic problems that are entrenched in a lot of organizations. Now, noEP 184 · 1 Apr 2025·hot take· 21:43–34:067:37How to know when you need to build your resilienceLeanne Elliott: So if resilience fluctuates, how do we know when we might be in need of building our resilience and doing something proactive to, to build that back up? Marie-Helene Pelletier: I would say always, always.EP 171 · 13 Feb 2025·interview· 7:37–11:2419:37Does investing in these habits work after burnout?Leanne Elliott: And does it work from the other end? So if somebody has got to the point of burnout, will investing in these help with the recovery? Marie-Helene Pelletier: Yes. Not only it will, it's best practice. It'sEP 171 · 13 Feb 2025·interview· 19:37–20:5239:19Workplace Surgery: burnout in engineering teamsLeanne Elliott: Gather the data. Get the data. You've got the anecdotal data, and that's great, but senior leaders want cold, hard numbers. There's going to be many different data points, as you've referenced, in terms oEP 164 · 21 Jan 2025·workplace surgery· 39:19–43:275:23The problem with resilience trainingAl Elliott: Oh, so I'd like to start with what would be a simple question, which I'm sure has a really complicated answer. So complicated, I think you wrote a book on it. The concept of resilience as we know it, truth orEP 162 · 14 Jan 2025·interview· 5:23–10:5710:57Why Bruce wrote Fortitude — and the burnout mythBruce Daisley: Yeah, well, where, where the questioner in that, in that scenario is coming from is the really important thing. You know, anyone who can't recognize that the world of work is fundamentally changed in the lEP 162 · 14 Jan 2025·interview· 10:57–18:0834:18Workplace Surgery: middle management burnoutLeanne Elliott: Yes, but it shouldn't be every day. I think middle managers do have a hard time because you, you get it from all angles, don't you? And, and it, it, it's a lot. So there's a few things here that I think rEP 154 · 17 Dec 2024·workplace surgery· 34:18–39:5732:04Workplace Surgery: Burnout and KPIsLeanne Elliott: Yes Al Elliott: I've recently been promoted to Head of Sales and now manage a team of 12. Well done. The team's numbers are good, but I'm getting a bit uncomfortable with the relentless focus of KPIs. EveEP 152 · 10 Dec 2024·workplace surgery· 32:04–39:0226:00Mental health, burnout, and the Gen-X experienceAl Elliott: Now, I'm Gen-X, and back when I started work, there was not really any sort of appreciation of mental health, certainly not in the workplaces that I joined. Also, my father, who's a Boomer, didn't really feelEP 141 · 31 Oct 2024·other· 26:00–32:117:27Finding purpose after burnout (Suneel Gupta)Leanne Elliott: What have you seen this week, Al? Al Elliott: Well, I've been reading CNBC. Not quite sure why, but it came up on my newsfeed. I don't know what the— the problem with those Brits is that we look at some oEP 138 · 22 Oct 2024·news roundup· 7:27–13:4520:47Hot Take: Dr Audrey Tang on burnout and systemic changeLeanne Elliott: Welcome back. For our hot take today, we are thrilled to have Dr. Audrey Tang back with us. Audrey is a chartered psychologist, TEDx speaker, and the founder of the Wellbeing Media Studio, where she hostsEP 138 · 22 Oct 2024·hot take· 20:47–35:3236:04Workplace Surgery: Work-Life Balance in AccountingAl Elliott: Excellent. Okay, on to our second question, Le. This person writes, I'm a partner at a mid-sized accounting firm with about 50 employees. Our industry is known for long hours, especially during tax season, buEP 132 · 1 Oct 2024·workplace surgery· 36:04–42:431:41Are you a workaholic?Leanne Elliott: Question Al Elliott: Yes Leanne Elliott: Are you a workaholic?EP 128 · 17 Sept 2024·news roundup· 1:41–6:302:44Stress bragging: the hidden cost of wearing busy as a badgeLeanne Elliott: I have a new word, or a new term. Okay, kind of. Um, I, I don't think you'll need the definition for this necessarily, But it's something that I've seen talked about more frequently and using this term. YEP 120 · 6 Aug 2024·news roundup· 2:44–7:2013:07The hotel room breakdown — moral injury, not burnoutDimple Dhabalia: Yeah. So I, I'm really a stickler about terms, right? So in Zambia, I was not experiencing burnout. I was experiencing vicarious trauma. So at the time, my actual home base was in Greece. That's where I EP 108 · 20 Jun 2024·interview· 13:07–16:2829:36Workplace Surgery: dealing with burnout and social isolationLeanne Elliott: Hmm Al Elliott: I'm also really worried about trying to get people at work to like me, because if they don't, then everyone at work will know I'm not a great person to hang out with. I'm at the point of tEP 107 · 18 Jun 2024·workplace surgery· 29:36–36:0532:04Workplace Surgery: When you want to give upAl Elliott: So this is from a business owner. So he said, I'm a business owner who built a good company, but I'm exhausted from fighting fires every day. It feels like all I do is deal with team problems instead of focusEP 99 · 21 May 2024·workplace surgery· 32:04–38:4835:35Workplace Surgery: setting boundaries and preventing burnoutLeanne Elliott: Oh, um, yeah, again, without a bit more information context, you know what I'm like, I'm always like, it depends. I need a bit more, I need a bit more info, a bit, I need a bit more insight. But I guess oEP 97 · 14 May 2024·workplace surgery· 35:35–43:0220:32Burnout discussion recap with Jeremy ClineLeanne Elliott: Jeremy was an exceptional interviewer, and it was a really great conversation. His show is really great as well. He explores lots of different topics around mental health, around career transitions. So muEP 93 · 30 Apr 2024·news roundup· 20:32–22:225:26Jodie's Breakdown: 'I had a mental breakdown after 3 or 4 years'Jodie Hill: When I became a solicitor, I was probably working for a couple of years, maybe 3 or 4 years, and had a mental breakdown. And the workplace that I was in really wasn't as supportive as perhaps one would hope, EP 73 · 11 Jan 2024·interview· 5:26–6:1223:27Compassion fatigue — the other side of traumaLeanne Elliott: There is another side to trauma, and especially common in jobs like carers. It's called compassion fatigue, and RSPCA workers and partners like vets are really aware of it Al Elliott: I mean, TRIM, as I tEP 67 · 30 Nov 2023·other· 23:27–26:1522:36Al on the relentless pressure of hustle cultureLeanne Elliott: You were saying there it took you years to, to recover. From what? Like, how were you feeling? How are you thinking? What was that looking like? And how did you recover? Al Elliott: I always felt if I staEP 60 · 12 Oct 2023·other· 22:36–26:0126:01Leanne's burnout — and what Al saw that she couldn'tLeanne Elliott: You mean like other challenges I've experienced? Um, well, and I think my other main one was I had an episode of burnout. Um, and that was a surprise. I did not see that coming. Um, I think I, I went throEP 60 · 12 Oct 2023·other· 26:01–31:2229:39How can employee insights support managers?Al Elliott: Nice, nice. Okay, talking of burnout, one of the biggest things that happens around burnout is managers. So what are we going to be talking about next, Lee? Leanne Elliott: So now we know how insights can be EP 57 · 21 Sept 2023·other· 29:39–37:1514:09Clip 3 — Sally: the burnout episodeLeanne Elliott: So my next clip is from another what I felt was a pivotal point in the history of the podcast. So this is going back to January of this year, January 2023, and it was our episodes on burnout. I could haveEP 52 · 17 Aug 2023·other· 14:09–16:0416:04Clip 4 — Male tears and the ocean of uncried emotionAl Elliott: So that was Sally from episode 20 and 21. My, I'm continuing the theme with burnout because episode 22 was called The Untold Heartbreak of Male Leaders. It was with the incredible Jim Young. It was very firstEP 52 · 17 Aug 2023·other· 16:04–20:3526:19Work-life balance: the good, the bad, and the 'bing!'Ross: does work— Al Elliott: does working remotely make you happy? Beth: Yes!EP 42 · 7 Jun 2023·panel interview· 26:19–33:0260:22Why are we seeing a spike in Gen-Z burnout?Leanne Elliott: Do you think that might be part of the reason we've seen a spike in burnout amongst the Gen Z age group? This, you know, difficulty in saying no and just taking on more? Al Elliott: Yeah, it's a really, rEP 35 · 19 Apr 2023·other· 60:22–63:0620:53The cost of childcare and the emotional loadLeanne Elliott: Before we dive more into burnout, Dr. Clare raises a really important issue here— the cost of childcare. So this is a problem in the UK, and my understanding is it's, it's a problem in the US as well. ChiEP 32 · 29 Mar 2023·other· 20:53–23:5638:46Burnout — are women's experiences really that different?Leanne Elliott: This episode was designed to act as a sibling episode to an earlier conversation that Al had with Jim Young. Uh, it's The Untold Heartbreak of Male Leaders, and we will leave that— I will leave the, the lEP 32 · 29 Mar 2023·other· 38:46–44:5128:50Worrying trends: worsening health and burnoutLeanne Elliott: It is a simple thing, and it's a simple thing that you can put in place now, that you could have in, in place in your business at your next board meeting. You know, just having, having that person responsEP 24 · 31 Jan 2023·other· 28:50–35:056:35The clinical definition of burnoutJim Young: I'll start with the clinical definition. The World Health Organization, after about 40 or 50 years of research into it, adopted it in the ICD-11 back in 2019. It's a workplace condition of unmanageable stress EP 22 · 17 Jan 2023·interview· 6:35–7:117:11What burnout feels like — the sense of dreadAl Elliott: So if, if someone's listening and some of those words might have resonated a little bit, then give us some— can you give us an example perhaps from your own life? Because what's interesting is I've noticed yoEP 22 · 17 Jan 2023·interview· 7:11–8:148:14Jim's own 7–8 year burnout experienceJim Young: So my burnout experience lasted probably 7 or 8 years. I don't really know how to measure it. It was in and out of different phases of burnout. And I remember a period of time when I had just gotten separated EP 22 · 17 Jan 2023·interview· 8:14–9:289:28The lowest moment — a complete shatterJim Young: The lowest moment for me wasn't a stuck-in-the-mud moment. It was a complete shatter moment where I just realized that I had pushed myself beyond my edge. And I was home alone, my kids were off with their mom.EP 22 · 17 Jan 2023·interview· 9:28–10:3317:08Hustle culture and the 'badge of honour' burnoutJim Young: For sure. I even think that the I'm so busy, even I'm burned out is a badge of honor, which is part of— I actually think it's really a positive development. Because if people are willing, if men in particular,EP 22 · 17 Jan 2023·interview· 17:08–18:2527:51'My work is not actually about burnout'Jim Young: I've been coming to this realization Over the last few months that my work is not actually about burnout, that my work is actually about intimacy. That as people in this modern society that's so fast and so diEP 22 · 17 Jan 2023·interview· 27:51–30:082:53How to know if your team is burnt outAl Elliott: Yeah, 3 fantastic guests with very different, well, not very different, but quite, quite different ways that they approach the burnout with different stories. In fact, I think all 3 of them have experienced bEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 2:53–9:319:31Leanne's personal burnout storyAl Elliott: So this is something which I've experienced with Leanne, my co-host and wife. About 3 or 4 years ago, you were working on a contract that wasn't exactly what you want to be working on, if I remember. And it cEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 9:31–11:2211:22Why burnout happensAl Elliott: So I think that burnout happens when we experience long periods of stress. Because, I mean, let's be honest, stress is a normal part of our lives, and we do have coping mechanisms to better manage stress. A jEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 11:22–20:1920:19Al's burnout story and bankruptcyAl Elliott: This is brilliant. Now, now, as someone who runs businesses and has always run businesses, then I'm really keen to see what the business case is for, for burnout. Because, I mean, I started my first business EP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 20:19–22:0122:01The commercial impact of burnoutLeanne Elliott: Yeah. So, I mean, first of all, you know, I'd say burnout's Yeah. A huge problem. The United States, I mean, I can't speak to what the stats are in the UK or in other countries, but I know Gallup did a poEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 22:01–27:1527:15Recommendation 1 — Reflect on your behaviour as a leaderLeanne Elliott: So let's go through some practical things you can do as a business leader, as a, as a business owner to nurture wellbeing and prevent burnout within your team Al Elliott: So the first thing So firstly, yoEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 27:15–31:3231:32Recommendation 2 — Invest in your own well-beingLeanne Elliott: One of the things that I do ask people to look out for is high levels of resentment. This, to me, is the key to everything. If you are getting an email from a particular person, and every single time you EP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 31:32–39:1539:15Recommendation 3 — Think of yourself as a managerLeanne Elliott: So our 3rd recommendation is to think of yourself as a leader, as a manager, or if you're a business leader, to help your managers in, in this type of development, managers as coaches. This is all about oEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 39:15–50:1250:12Recommendation 4 — Fix the work environmentLeanne Elliott: Yeah Al Elliott: So talking of the work environment, number five is focusing on the work environment. We talked about this no fancy interventions. You just increase the control that your team members haveEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 50:12–52:5954:51Recommendation 5 — Start the conversationsAl Elliott: So all really good stuff. Another recommendation to help prevent burnout comes from Sally and her colleagues. When they— remember that we said she did the State of Workplace Burnout Report 2023? Now, they claEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 54:51–59:0059:00Resources and final thoughtsAl Elliott: So in a second, we're just going to go through some resources with you. But just before we do, I want to go back to Kate, who's got an important message about the role of self-compassion and awareness when yoEP 21 · 13 Jan 2023·other· 59:00–67:551:47The rising rates of burnout (29.6% → 38.1%)Leanne Elliott: The first thing to know about burnout is that it is on the up. Um, so as you mentioned there, Our wonderful guest Sally Clark. She is one of the researchers behind Infinite Potentials: The State of WorkplEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 1:47–4:336:46The clinical definition of burnout, from the World Health OrganisationLeanne Elliott: I have a very strong belief that we all have to start with the scientific definition as it's given today. I don't necessarily— I say that with the caveat of I don't necessarily agree with the current defiEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 6:46–8:458:45The difference between burnout and a bad dayAl Elliott: So I think what's interesting is asking what the difference is between a bad day and burnout Leanne Elliott: That's a good question. I mean, I think, you know, one of the things I would consider most is how pEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 8:45–11:5311:53Why burnout still carries stigmaLeanne Elliott: I think there's really multiple, multiple things at work here. And one is that we tend to still, because burnout happens to the individual, it happens to people, we tend to still frame it as an individualEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 11:53–15:2316:58Are some people or roles more susceptible to burnout?Al Elliott: So I'm curious, Leanne, do you think there are some people or roles that are more susceptible to burnout? Leanne Elliott: As Sally said, you know, burnout is not a sign of weakness. Burnout isn't something thEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 16:58–24:1124:11Burnout and the 'snowflake' generationAl Elliott: I think we have to remember that if someone's entered the workforce 5 years ago. So let's say, for argument's sake, they are 21 and they started at 16, and the pandemic was like 2, 2 of those years, even 2 anEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 24:11–25:5632:57What the research really says about younger workersLeanne Elliott: Hear, hear. That was brilliant. And quite some, some sobering thoughts there as well, aren't there? Yeah, I think it's also really important if we're talking about shifts, we need to talk about burnout asEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 32:57–35:5635:56Strategies for people at riskLeanne Elliott: It's not. What her research found and what other research I've seen recently from the UK has found is that from what we know so far, and bear in mind these are early days of post-COVID hybrid working, butEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 35:56–39:0139:01Leanne's own burnout story — the physical symptoms she ignoredLeanne Elliott: Yeah, so I think for a person like that, I'd recommend a couple of different strategies. I mean, one would be finding your allies in, in The workforce. I mean, even if they're sort of working against the EP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 39:01–42:3942:39Abject denial and the moment everything changedLeanne Elliott: I think you're right. It's so hard when you're in it to recognise you're burning out. I think I thought I might be burning out, and looking back and understanding what burnout actually is more, I was defiEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 42:39–50:3950:39The business case for taking burnout seriouslyLeanne Elliott: But when I look back, it's, I was in abject denial that I was I was having physical symptoms, so I was having quite a lot of rashes and headaches. I was barely sleeping. I'd lost quite a lot of weight. AnEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 50:39–53:4353:43What's coming in Part 2Al Elliott: Yeah. And, I mean, let's look at it from a business case point of view. You've got someone who's a superstar. They're doing really well, and they're putting all the hours in Leanne Elliott: Yeah Al Elliott: AEP 20 · 10 Jan 2023·other· 53:43–56:4618:43Prediction 10: Using technology to manage burnoutAl Elliott: Where we can, I think we can probably fashion something that will predict and measure people's performance and predict burnout. I'm thinking now, this is just sort of my thoughts. This isn't necessarily goingEP 19 · 4 Jan 2023·other· 18:43–21:1822:53The hidden toll on employee wellbeingAl Elliott: Hmm Al Elliott: It can Leanne Elliott: But come backEP 11 · 8 Nov 2022·other· 22:53–25:0822:34Empathic leadership without burnoutLeanne Elliott: Yeah, and empathic leadership is something that's getting a lot more coverage at the moment, and it can be really effective in terms of motivating performance and nurturing wellbeing. I guess, first of alEP 08 · 23 Aug 2022·other· 22:34–27:07
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